wpr
  • wpr
  • Preferred Member Topic Starter
13 years ago
I thought I would share the letter I received today from the Packers.

UserPostedImage
UserPostedImage
UserPostedImage
Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
Except those two extra games won't be meaningful. They'll merely prolong the period of shitty football we have to endure at the beginning of every season.
UserPostedImage
longtimefan
13 years ago
Out of curiosity, wonder how many other teams sent similar letters out?

Was it a requirement, or just Mark wanted to keep his fans in the loop?
13 years ago
I always figured the 18 game season proposal was going to be used as a bargaining chip against the union. That letter doesn't necessarily change my theory, but it definitely doesn't strengthen it.

it seems like every 30 years or so, the owners tack on a couple extra games to increase the profits. granted thats about as gradual as it gets, but it's gotta stop somewhere.

more games, bigger rosters, bigger practice squads, bigger contracts....fuck it, lets go with 12 men on the field while we're at it. i actually think an 18 game season would contribute to the softening of our beloved sport if you can believe that.

And i haven't even mentioned the record books. we've got 32 years of records under 16 game seasons. i can get behind a lot of the changes the league has made (challenge system, division realignment, protecting QB's, etc) but lets have some stability in the number of games played.
Greg C.
13 years ago
Much thanks for sharing that, wpr. It's not a bad letter, but at the same time, it's hard not to be cynical. How many times did he mention "player safety"? (Three: I went back and counted.) It almost makes me think that this emphasis on player safety is a public relations ploy. Wait a minute, I already thought that anyway. But now I think that it is being emphasized specifically to make the owners look better during negotiations.

I hate the 18 game season, but I wonder if season ticket holders support it more strongly than the rest of us. It does give you more bang for your buck.
blank
13 years ago
I appreciate you sharing the letter.

It could be condensed to two words; We're trying.

It has to be very tough to plan a hundreds of millions of dollars operation when you don't know what rules you will be operating under in 90 days.

So many of these alleged negotiators do nothing until the last week and then "burn the midnight oil" boasting of how many hours they are putting in after months of doing nothing. I don't think Murphy is that type but he seems to be dealing with a few of those types.

I don't expect a "big break through" until the Scouting Combine.
blank
Pack93z
13 years ago

Out of curiosity, wonder how many other teams sent similar letters out?

Was it a requirement, or just Mark wanted to keep his fans in the loop?

"longtimefan" wrote:



I would guess all clubs, or at least those that give a rat's ass about the fans, have sent it in order to combat the Unions recent attempt to grab PR via letters to local and state governments bodies.

IMO.. both sides are preparing for what looks inevitable.. a lockout with a delayed start to the 2011 Season.

Or the possibility that the Union decertifies and then things would really get "squirrely", as those waters have never been crossed before.
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
dfosterf
13 years ago
As the resident psuedo-capologist (retired) -- I vote for a simple 50-50 split.

This is good stuff, imo PFT- League/union squabble over semantics 

Eliminate any "set-asides" presently enjoyed by the owners (analgous to tax loopholes)

Rookie salary cap. Let the NFLPA decide how to handle retiree benefits, and then kindly shut the fuck up about it...

Simple. Solved.
Pack93z
13 years ago
Oh I agree Foster.. the middle ground on this should be rather simple.. however the above forgets about one key element that applies pressure in this, but isn't talked about much.

The agents.

I think one of the main sticking points is the Rookie cap.. and how that impacts the agents.. and the pressure they are applying behind the scene.

The other major concession.. the 18 game regular season... and whom pays for it.

The Owners currently collect full revenue for the tickets sold for the "meaningless" preseason games.. however the players don't collect normal game checks.

The players will want to be paid and the owners already have tapped that local revenue stream.. so either the costs will be passed down via ticket increases or the NFL as a whole will have to chip in with the additional TV revenue to supplant the increase in costs.. either that or the Players take less.

Then one could dig into the retired benefits angle.. and make another topic post.

In the end.. we the fans foot the bill but are really just pawns at this point. Pawns with pockets that will be pillaged further.
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
dfosterf
13 years ago

Oh I agree Foster.. the middle ground on this should be rather simple.. however the above forgets about one key element that applies pressure in this, but isn't talked about much.

The agents.

I think one of the main sticking points is the Rookie cap.. and how that impacts the agents.. and the pressure they are applying behind the scene.

The other major concession.. the 18 game regular season... and whom pays for it.

The Owners currently collect full revenue for the tickets sold for the "meaningless" preseason games.. however the players don't collect normal game checks.

The players will want to be paid and the owners already have tapped that local revenue stream.. so either the costs will be passed down via ticket increases or the NFL as a whole will have to chip in with the additional TV revenue to supplant the increase in costs.. either that or the Players take less.

Then one could dig into the retired benefits angle.. and make another topic post.

In the end.. we the fans foot the bill but are really just pawns at this point. Pawns with pockets that will be pillaged further.

"pack93z" wrote:



18 games is going to be more palatable to both sides with a true 50/50 split, coupled with whatever number they come up with for roster size and game-day actives.

Rookie cap savings would enure to existing union members just as much as to owners. At a fixed 50/50 split, the NFLPA would find it virtually impossible to defend the continued escalation in rookie compensation amongst it's own membership. As to the agents, the $$$ would go to the vets, so it isn't like the agents aren't going to see it---they would merely see that cash in a "shifted paradigm", if you will.

They can also decide EQUALLY on the responsibilities to the retirees--- Owners and players can eat that burden 50/50 also. The NFLPA will get a lot less noisy on THAT one when they get to suck on the financial realities as well.

...And make all of the owners open the books. IMO

These players are not poor, and the existing model is not equitable for the players themselves- the rooks are sucking WAY too much out of their "side" of the financial pie. That is SO obvious, to me at least.
Fan Shout
Mucky Tundra (7h) : Happy Birthday wpr!
Zero2Cool (7h) : Anders Carlson ... released by 49ers
dfosterf (10h) : Happy Birthday!๐Ÿ˜Š๐Ÿ˜Š๐Ÿ˜Š
wpr (11h) : Thanks Kevin.
Zero2Cool (13h) : Happy Birthday, Wayne! ๐ŸŽ‰๐ŸŽ‚๐Ÿฅณ
beast (13h) : Edge Rushers is the same... it's not the 4-3 vs 3-4 change, it's the Hafley's version of the 4-3... as all 32 teams are actually 4-2
Zero2Cool (6-Nov) : OLB to DE and player requests trade. Yet folks say they are same.
beast (5-Nov) : In other news, the Green Bay Packers have signed Zero2Cool to update their website ๐Ÿ˜‹ jk
beast (5-Nov) : Might just re-sign the kicker we got
beast (5-Nov) : Are there any kickers worth drafting next year?
Zero2Cool (5-Nov) : Preston Smith for Malik Willis
Mucky Tundra (5-Nov) : Getting a 7th rounder from the Stillers
Zero2Cool (5-Nov) : At least we get 7th round pick now!! HELLO NEW KICKER
Mucky Tundra (5-Nov) : Steelers getting a premier lockdown corner!
Zero2Cool (5-Nov) : Packers are trading edge rusher Preston Smith to the Pittsburgh Steelers, per sources.
Mucky Tundra (5-Nov) : Preston Smith traded to the Steelers!!!!
Zero2Cool (5-Nov) : CB Marshon Lattimore to Commanders
Zero2Cool (5-Nov) : Bears are sending RB Khalil Herbert to the Bengals, per sources.
Zero2Cool (5-Nov) : ZaDarius Smith continues his "north" tour.
Zero2Cool (5-Nov) : Let the Chiefs trade a 5th for him
Zero2Cool (5-Nov) : Nearing 30, large contract, nope.
Martha Careful (5-Nov) : any interest in Marshon Lattimore?
Zero2Cool (4-Nov) : What does NFL do if they're over cap?
Mucky Tundra (4-Nov) : They've been able to constantly push it out through extensions, void years etc but they're in the hole by 72 million next year I believe
hardrocker950 (4-Nov) : Seems the Saints are always in cap hell
Mucky Tundra (4-Nov) : Saints HC job is not an envious one; gonna be in cap hell for 3 years
Mucky Tundra (4-Nov) : Dennis Allen has now been fired twice mid-season with Derek Carr as his starting QB
Zero2Cool (4-Nov) : Kuhn let go
beast (4-Nov) : I wonder if the Packers would have any interest in Z. Smith, probably not
Zero2Cool (4-Nov) : Shefter says Browns and Lions will figure out how to get a deal done for Za'Darius Smith..
Zero2Cool (4-Nov) : Packers are more likely to have 1,000 yard rusher than 4,000 yard passer
Zero2Cool (3-Nov) : It's raining hard.
Zero2Cool (3-Nov) : Packers inactives vs. Lions: CB Jaire Alexander S Evan Williams C Josh Myers Non-injury inactives: WR Malik Heath OL Travis Glover DE Bren
packerfanoutwest (3-Nov) : Malik Willis: My focus is helping the Packers win, not proving I can start elsewhere. But he could
Zero2Cool (1-Nov) : I had Texans, but the loss of another WR flipped me
wpr (1-Nov) : I thought about taking the Jets but they've been a disaster. Losing to the Pats last week
Zero2Cool (1-Nov) : Surprised more didn't pick Jets in Pick'em.
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2024 Packers Schedule
Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM
Eagles
Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM
COLTS
Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM
Titans
Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM
Rams
Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM
CARDINALS
Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM
TEXANS
Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM
Jaguars
Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM
Bears
Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM
49ERS
Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM
DOLPHINS
Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM
Seahawks
Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM
SAINTS
Sunday, Dec 29 @ 12:00 PM
Vikings
Saturday, Jan 4 @ 11:00 PM
BEARS
Recent Topics
1h / Around The NFL / beast

6-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

6-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

6-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

6-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

6-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

5-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

5-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

5-Nov / Featured Content / Zero2Cool

5-Nov / GameDay Threads / Cheesey

5-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

5-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

5-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

4-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

2-Nov / Around The NFL / wpr

Headlines
Copyright ยฉ 2006 - 2024 PackersHome.comโ„ข. All Rights Reserved.