beast
13 years ago
Yeah you can twist the stats but the Packers are still 20th in running yards per game which isn't good.

Some have asked why are Jackson numbers good then? Because the Packers don't run often... the Packers are 25th in the NFL at running attempts per game.

Which is up after running the ball a very unusual 35 times against the poor Cowboys defense and might of been 30th in the NFL at running attempts before the Cowboys game.

And since the Packers don't run often other teams focus a lot more against the passing game which makes it easy for the RBs to pick up better averages.
UserPostedImage
macbob
13 years ago

Yeah you can twist the stats but the Packers are still 20th in running yards per game which isn't good.

Some have asked why are Jackson numbers good then? Because the Packers don't run often... the Packers are 25th in the NFL at running attempts per game.

Which is up after running the ball a very unusual 35 times against the poor Cowboys defense and might of been 30th in the NFL at running attempts before the Cowboys game.

And since the Packers don't run often other teams focus a lot more against the passing game which makes it easy for the RBs to pick up better averages.

"beast" wrote:



In our 6 wins, McCarthy has been maintaining a 56%/44% pass to run ratio. That's a pretty balanced attack. It's in our 3 losses that the ratio was skewed heavily to the pass (74%/26%). Overall, McCarthy is maintaining a pretty well-balanced attack this year.
brnt247
13 years ago


And since the Packers don't run often other teams focus a lot more against the passing game which makes it easy for the RBs to pick up better averages.

"beast" wrote:



When the Packers have employed this strategy in the McCarthy era, they have won a good amount of games. The notion that Rodgers and the Packers are successful without a running game is simply false, they just chose to utilize it differently compared to most teams.
blank
beast
13 years ago

In our 6 wins, McCarthy has been maintaining a 56%/44% pass to run ratio. That's a pretty balanced attack. It's in our 3 losses that the ratio was skewed heavily to the pass (74%/26%). Overall, McCarthy is maintaining a pretty well-balanced attack this year.

"macbob" wrote:



Good point. I looked up the stats and it's about (60% passing / 40% running) before the Cowboys game. The reason the attempts are low must be because the offense can't keep drives going longer...


And since the Packers don't run often other teams focus a lot more against the passing game which makes it easy for the RBs to pick up better averages.

"brnt247" wrote:



When the Packers have employed this strategy in the McCarthy era, they have won a good amount of games. The notion that Rodgers and the Packers are successful without a running game is simply false, they just chose to utilize it differently compared to most teams.

"beast" wrote:



I agree with you. Interesting stat is that in all of the Packers loses they had less than 18 running attempts from Kuhn and Jackson. In all of the Packers wins they have has more than 17 running attempts from those two.

And their is a stat that is very similar state last year with Grant running. When they stay more balanced they win...
UserPostedImage
Greg C.
13 years ago

In our 6 wins, McCarthy has been maintaining a 56%/44% pass to run ratio. That's a pretty balanced attack. It's in our 3 losses that the ratio was skewed heavily to the pass (74%/26%). Overall, McCarthy is maintaining a pretty well-balanced attack this year.

"beast" wrote:



Good point. I looked up the stats and it's about (60% passing / 40% running) before the Cowboys game. The reason the attempts are low must be because the offense can't keep drives going longer...


And since the Packers don't run often other teams focus a lot more against the passing game which makes it easy for the RBs to pick up better averages.

"macbob" wrote:



When the Packers have employed this strategy in the McCarthy era, they have won a good amount of games. The notion that Rodgers and the Packers are successful without a running game is simply false, they just chose to utilize it differently compared to most teams.

"brnt247" wrote:



I agree with you. Interesting stat is that in all of the Packers loses they had less than 18 running attempts from Kuhn and Jackson. In all of the Packers wins they have has more than 17 running attempts from those two.

And their is a stat that is very similar state last year with Grant running. When they stay more balanced they win...

"beast" wrote:



I always end up saying the same thing when this subject comes up, but here goes again: More rushing attempts does not lead to wins. It is the other way around: Wins lead to more rushing attempts. To be more specific, when a team is leading and/or its O-line is winning the battle in the trenches, it is going to run the ball more than it would if it is trailing and/or its O-line is losing the battle in the trenches.

A pass-oriented team like the Packers is going to heavily emphasize the pass when scoring is the top priority, but there will be more emphasis on the run when clock control and avoiding turnovers are the top priorities.
blank
zombieslayer
13 years ago
Awesome post. I don't care who's getting the sacks or INTs. The fact is, we're getting them. This is a good thing.

The rushing numbers show that a lot of us on this board are panicking over nothing. The D numbers show how we're dominant but in ways that a lot of us aren't seeing (except for those of us who read the Chrisbozzonerocks threads religiously).
My man Donald Driver
UserPostedImage
(thanks to Pack93z for the pic)
2010 will be seen as the beginning of the new Packers dynasty. 🇹🇹 🇲🇲 🇦🇷
macbob
13 years ago

I always end up saying the same thing when this subject comes up, but here goes again: More rushing attempts does not lead to wins. It is the other way around: Wins lead to more rushing attempts. To be more specific, when a team is leading and/or its O-line is winning the battle in the trenches, it is going to run the ball more than it would if it is trailing and/or its O-line is losing the battle in the trenches.

"Greg C." wrote:



Greg-agree up to a point, but your explanation does not seem to match up with our stats from this year.

Except for the Miami game (which we were losing 13-10 at the end of 3), we've been winning every single game through the first 3 quarters this year. I wouldn't expect (and there's not) a HUGE difference between the # of runs in the first half vs the second half: by quarter, weve run the ball 53, 45, 54, 64 times. Over 9 games, thats only 1 more rush per game in the 4th quarter compared to quarters 1 and 3, and 2 more times compared to quarter 2. So, were not running it significantly higher in the fourth quarter compared to most of the other quarters.

There is, however, a HUGE difference between our run/pass ratio between the wins and the losses, which I would NOT have expected since the 3 losses were all close games and the only one we were losing at the end of 3 (Mia) we were down by only 3 (13-10). We havent been needing to throw to catch up. Washington we were leading 13-3 at the end of 3. Chi we were leading 10-7. But heres the stats from our wins and losses (subtracting out ARs runs, just looking at RB carries):

Wins:
Phi: 31 passes/28 rushes, 53/47%
Buf: 29/22, 57/43%
Det: 17/18, 49/51%
Min: 35/20, 64/36%
NYJ: 34/23, 60/40%
Dal: 35/30, 54/46%
Total 181/141, 56/44%

Losses:
Chi: 45/13, 78/22%
Was: 46/13, 78/22%
Mia: 33/17, 67/34%
Total 124/43, 74/26%

In the three losses McCarthy sold out the run and became one-dimensional. The defense did not need to take our running game seriously.

Washington certainly didnt. The few times we ran the ball against them we were running it well. We had 157 yds. Take out ARs runs, and that drops the total to 127. 71 of those came on one play. Even subtracting that 71 yd run out, we still went 56 yds on 12 carries--we averaged almost 5 yds/carry.
Aaron Rodgers threw for 293 yds and 1 TD, but cleared hot to go after him, the Redskins ended up with 4 sacks and 1 INT. I believe if we had run the ball more to attain a more balanced attack during that game we would have won.

Bottomline for me is I wish we would aim more for a 56/44% passing ratio than 74/26%. Our record isnt as good when we dont have at least a credible run threat to slow down the pass rush.
13 years ago

Yeah you can twist the stats but the Packers are still 20th in running yards per game which isn't good.

Some have asked why are Jackson numbers good then? Because the Packers don't run often... the Packers are 25th in the NFL at running attempts per game.

Which is up after running the ball a very unusual 35 times against the poor Cowboys defense and might of been 30th in the NFL at running attempts before the Cowboys game.

And since the Packers don't run often other teams focus a lot more against the passing game which makes it easy for the RBs to pick up better averages.

"beast" wrote:



At the same time, we've run so rarely that those 3 or 6 carries at the end of games where we're trying to run out the clock and the other team is trying to stop the run and call timeouts would make it harder for RBs to pick up better averages.

It's hard to analyze things like this while considering all factors...
UserPostedImage
djcubez
13 years ago
I'm still worried about our defense playing an elite QB. Here are the QB's we've played this season:

Kevin Kolb/Mike Vick (We killed Kolb and Vick killed us)
Trent Edwards (He got cut a week after we played him)
Jay Cutler (Decent QB but throws a lot of errant passes and has a terrible line)
Shaun Hill (I actually like Hill. Decent QB)
Donovan McNabb (McNabb is not playing like McNabb of old)
Chad Henne (Mediocre QB--just got benched in favor of Chad Pennington)
Brett Favre (Not playing like the Favre of last season but still decent)
Mark Sanchez (Young and inconsistent but not terrible)
Jon Kitna (Old but with a decent arm still)

Here's the QB's we'll be playing in the next 7 games:
Brett Favre
Matt Ryan
Troy or Alex Smith
Matt Stafford or Shaun Hill
Tom Brady
Eli Manning
Jay Cutler

I feel like in this second half of the season we'll be able to see what our defense is really made of.
wpr
  • wpr
  • Preferred Member
13 years ago
Interesting numbers. I had thought about some of them. Nice to see them with a little more clarity.
UserPostedImage
Fan Shout
Zero2Cool (4h) : Former Packers QB Brett Favre recently announced he was diagnosed with Parkinson's.
Zero2Cool (5h) : The only QBs this season with 0 turnover-worthy plays according to PFF (minimum 30 dropbacks) Aaron Rodgers Malik Willis Justin Fields
Mucky Tundra (23h) : @DavidBearmanPFN · 18h Vegas has watched Will Levis for 3 weeks and installed them as a 1-point favorite in Miami next week. Let that sink
Mucky Tundra (23-Sep) : Martha, they did play much better with Dalton yesterday
Zero2Cool (23-Sep) : Test results on Sam Darnold’s knee showed a knee bruise and no structural damage. He is not expected to miss any time.
Martha Careful (23-Sep) : Not with Dalton apparently
Mucky Tundra (23-Sep) : Not sure what to make of the NFC South so far this season (outside of the Panthers being a dumpster fire)
Mucky Tundra (22-Sep) : of course I say that and then they overturn that play that put them on the 49ers 2 yard line
Mucky Tundra (22-Sep) : *without
Mucky Tundra (22-Sep) : Even with Nacua and Kupp out, Rams looking fiesty on offense
Martha Careful (22-Sep) : Tim Boyle is playing for the Dolphins
Martha Careful (22-Sep) : I love seeing Dallas lose
Mucky Tundra (22-Sep) : The Red Rifle is on fire in Las Vegas! 3 TDs in the first half!
Mucky Tundra (22-Sep) : @mattschneidman · 2m The fire alarm is going off inside the Packers locker room here in Nashville.
Mucky Tundra (22-Sep) : Gonna need a drink after looking at my picks for the early games in Pick'em
Zero2Cool (22-Sep) : James Jones. Y’all must not know, Dr. Mackenzie🤣 he was not going to let Jordan love play today.
Zero2Cool (22-Sep) : Malik to start. Love inactive. Per report. Let's go!!
buckeyepackfan (22-Sep) : I think J-10VE will be inactive, a little twist that could be put in is run a wildcat with Wicks at qb. Have him as emergency qb if needed.
Zero2Cool (21-Sep) : I think that's how it works.
Zero2Cool (21-Sep) : I'd go 3 QB regardless this game.
Zero2Cool (21-Sep) : Clifford was elevated, not activated. He doesn't play, it doesn't count.
hardrocker950 (21-Sep) : If Clifford is active, not likely to see Jordan play this weekend
Mucky Tundra (21-Sep) : QB Sean Clifford and CB Robert Rochell elevated from the PS for the Titans game
Zero2Cool (20-Sep) : Love questionable. Morgan is out. Valentine is doubtful
Martha Careful (20-Sep) : Rodgers and Lazard off to a very strong start
Zero2Cool (19-Sep) : Josh Jacobs. Limited.
Zero2Cool (19-Sep) : Can't find anything on Jacobs :(
wpr (19-Sep) : Do you know if they gave Jacobs an extra day off? I hope so.
Zero2Cool (19-Sep) : WR Jayden Reed (calf) and G Elgton Jenkins (illness/glute) returned after sitting out Wednesday.
Zero2Cool (19-Sep) : Packers are in pads and so is Jordan Love. Second straight day of practice for QB1.
bboystyle (18-Sep) : If Love comes back, we win in a blow out
Zero2Cool (18-Sep) : Jordan Love just spoke with reporters and said he’s giving himself the week but hopeful to play Sunday against the Titans.
Zero2Cool (18-Sep) : Practicing is Jordan Love!
Zero2Cool (18-Sep) : Packers are signing WR Cornelius Johnson to the Practice Squad per sources. Johnson was a 7th round pick this year.
Zero2Cool (17-Sep) : Packers placed RB MarShawn Lloyd on injured reserve.
Zero2Cool (16-Sep) : Rams won’t have Cooper Kupp or Puka Nacua when they host the Packers in Week 5.
Mucky Tundra (16-Sep) : Or is that the Rusty Red Rifle because of his age?
Mucky Tundra (16-Sep) : The Red Rifle Returns!
Zero2Cool (16-Sep) : Panthers are benching former No. 1 overall pick Bryce Young and starting veteran Andy Dalton beginning this week.
Mucky Tundra (16-Sep) : bears still have slim chance here
Mucky Tundra (16-Sep) : and there's another one!
Mucky Tundra (16-Sep) : oh crap macbob has the Texans K and he keeps hitting these long FGs
Mucky Tundra (15-Sep) : Hope the Texans beat the brakes off the Bears
Zero2Cool (15-Sep) : LaFleur: “I asked Malik why he didn’t throw it on that third down and he told me Josh threw up on the ball.”
Mucky Tundra (15-Sep) : i was wondering why it was just you, me, beast and macbob by the end
Zero2Cool (15-Sep) : Yeah it was weird today for some reason
Mucky Tundra (15-Sep) : Oh my, marvin harrison jr might be as good as he was billed out to be
Mucky Tundra (15-Sep) : and none of the chats on my phone are showing up on the desktop chat
Mucky Tundra (15-Sep) : weird, i was on my phone for chat during the game but now on my desktop I look at chat and there's tons of chats i didn't see on my phone
Zero2Cool (15-Sep) : Oh yeah, for sure. That's just not fair thoguh.
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2024 Packers Schedule
Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM
Eagles
Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM
COLTS
Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM
Titans
Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM
Rams
Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM
CARDINALS
Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM
TEXANS
Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM
Jaguars
Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM
Bears
Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM
49ERS
Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM
DOLPHINS
Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM
Seahawks
Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM
SAINTS
Sunday, Dec 29 @ 12:00 PM
Vikings
Saturday, Jan 4 @ 11:00 PM
BEARS
Recent Topics
3h / GameDay Threads / Zero2Cool

5h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

5h / Green Bay Packers Talk / MintBaconDrivel

19h / Around The NFL / Martha Careful

22h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

23-Sep / Featured Content / Zero2Cool

23-Sep / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

23-Sep / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

23-Sep / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

22-Sep / Green Bay Packers Talk / buckeyepackfan

21-Sep / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

18-Sep / Green Bay Packers Talk / earthquake

18-Sep / Random Babble / wpr

18-Sep / Around The NFL / Martha Careful

18-Sep / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2024 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.