Greg C.
14 years ago

Rodgers seen no one covering the line, moves up and snaps it and take off. That's a trick play now? Sorry, my uneducated guess is Rodgers seen the opening and took it.

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Well, you are really splitting hairs here. You don't have to call it a trick play if you don't want to. I called it a trick play because although I've watched an awful lot of football over the years, I don't recall ever seeing it before (though perhaps I have once or twice, and I forgot). I also called it a trick play because it was based ENTIRELY on deception rather than execution.

I'm certainly not trying to deny credit to anyone for making the play. I thought it was fantastic. And whether or not you call it a trick play, my point was that they were not going to be able to repeat it.
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PackFanWithTwins
14 years ago

Rodgers seen no one covering the line, moves up and snaps it and take off. That's a trick play now? Sorry, my uneducated guess is Rodgers seen the opening and took it.

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With everything that was talked about during the broadcast. Colledge calling where to go on the play, and that Wells was ready, it sure did seem planned.
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14 years ago
I am interested in what others are thinking which was the reason for this thread not to bash Mike. I did forget to post the word "discuss". My bad. :tongue3:

In response to a few posts who stated tht GB had a hard time getting the TD I would like to say this- You can not really compare 2nd, 3rd or even 4th and goal from the 1/2 yard line and a 2 point conversion attempt from 2 1/2 yards out.

It is possible and expected to try a run from the 1/2 yard line or the 1 yard line on 2nd down even though the defense is looking for the run. If you don't make it you still have more opportunities to get the ball into the endzone.

It is very difficult to run from 2 1/2 yards out unless is is off of a spread formation and you get the second level of defenders away from the center of the line.

To convert a 2 point attempt they would have to pass the ball. GB is pretty good at quick slant passes. They could of had Aaron roll out and if the receivers were all covered try and run it in. He is pretty good at getting a couple of yards off a scramble. He still would have had the option of pulling up at the last second and flipping the ball to a receiver if the defender went to tackle Aaron.
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Zero2Cool
14 years ago

Well, you are really splitting hairs here. You don't have to call it a trick play if you don't want to. I called it a trick play because although I've watched an awful lot of football over the years, I don't recall ever seeing it before (though perhaps I have once or twice, and I forgot). I also called it a trick play because it was based ENTIRELY on deception rather than execution.

I'm certainly not trying to deny credit to anyone for making the play. I thought it was fantastic. And whether or not you call it a trick play, my point was that they were not going to be able to repeat it.

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No hair splitting at all, not even remotely close. I just don't think that's the play that was designed. I think it was an alteration of the original play. I'm not trying to discredit anyone or nothing like that.

I think we had a pass play called and when you're in that situation, you're taught at a very young age that if theres no one covering the front, you shoot it. It was a heads up play by Colledge in my opinion. I just watched the replay a few times.

Whichever it was, it was a awesome play. My opinion, it was not the play called, but thats just little ole me. 🙂
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14 years ago

Well, you are really splitting hairs here. You don't have to call it a trick play if you don't want to. I called it a trick play because although I've watched an awful lot of football over the years, I don't recall ever seeing it before (though perhaps I have once or twice, and I forgot). I also called it a trick play because it was based ENTIRELY on deception rather than execution.

I'm certainly not trying to deny credit to anyone for making the play. I thought it was fantastic. And whether or not you call it a trick play, my point was that they were not going to be able to repeat it.

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No hair splitting at all, not even remotely close. I just don't think that's the play that was designed. I think it was an alteration of the original play. I'm not trying to discredit anyone or nothing like that.

I think we had a pass play called and when you're in that situation, you're taught at a very young age that if theres no one covering the front, you shoot it. It was a heads up play by Colledge in my opinion. I just watched the replay a few times.

Whichever it was, it was a awesome play. My opinion, it was not the play called, but thats just little ole me. :)

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I have to agree with you Zero. They ad-libbed while Aaron was calling the play. In a broad sense it could be considered a trick play but in reality they were just taking what the defense gave them.
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tonyagnese
14 years ago
Nah, you have to take the 7 points and hope you catch a break in OT by winning the coin toss or getting a big stop from your defense. I hope that McCarthy feels that with the talent we have we can score when we have to, but so far this year that obviously hasn't been the case. Either way, at the time I wasn't upset so I can't get on McCarthy for the decision.
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Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago

Nah, you have to . . . hope you catch a break . . .

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That is a bad rationale for any decision. It's acting on faith instead of playing the odds. A coach who is hoping to catch a break obviously doesn't have much confidence in his team.
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Greg C.
14 years ago

Well, you are really splitting hairs here. You don't have to call it a trick play if you don't want to. I called it a trick play because although I've watched an awful lot of football over the years, I don't recall ever seeing it before (though perhaps I have once or twice, and I forgot). I also called it a trick play because it was based ENTIRELY on deception rather than execution.

I'm certainly not trying to deny credit to anyone for making the play. I thought it was fantastic. And whether or not you call it a trick play, my point was that they were not going to be able to repeat it.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



No hair splitting at all, not even remotely close. I just don't think that's the play that was designed. I think it was an alteration of the original play. I'm not trying to discredit anyone or nothing like that.

I think we had a pass play called and when you're in that situation, you're taught at a very young age that if theres no one covering the front, you shoot it. It was a heads up play by Colledge in my opinion. I just watched the replay a few times.

Whichever it was, it was a awesome play. My opinion, it was not the play called, but thats just little ole me. :)

"Greg C." wrote:



Ah, I see now, you were making a distinction between an ad-lib vs. a play that was planned ahead. I agree that it was an ad-lib. The announcer, Dan Fouts, did a good job pointing out how Colledge motioned with his hand that there was an opening for Rodgers to run the ball.

By this definition, the fake spike by Dan Marino was not a trick play either, as it was an ad-lib based on taking advantage of an opening in the defense. But I think this is just a matter of semantics.
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Zero2Cool
14 years ago
Dan Marino motioned spike to the team. Then quick snap, throw. Trick.
Aaron Rodgers and Colledge seen no one in the middle. Colledge motions right. Rodgers moves foward. Snap, run TD.

Semantics my sexy ass.

Marino tricked the Jets. Rodgers took advantage of an opening.

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According to Philbin, the play is designed to give Rodgers the option of simply taking the shotgun snap and trying to throw for the touchdown or, if he sees a favorable alignment up front from the defense, moving under center and keeping the ball on the sneak. He chose the latter.

Its a built-in thing. He sees a soft spot in the defense and takes it, Philbin said. It was a good decision. It looked like (the Dolphins) had miscommunicated once before, so they were scrambling around and he saw an opening there, saw a soft spot in the defense. It was a good play.

They called timeout right before that and we were in the same formation. The line said, Hey, if they line up with nobody over center again, let's just sneak it.' So we talked about it real quick, Rodgers said. They actually lined up with a guy over the center, but the next guy out was, I think, outside the tackle on the left side. So I just told them I was going to act like I was changing something and then just went up there and quick-snapped it and got it in there."


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LambeauEast
14 years ago
Trick schmrick, it worked. Like Young's thumb up his center's butt sneak in that 95 playoff game.

Yes, yes, yes...a million times yes I was hoping they'd go for two. I knew, as well as many of you did also, that we were not winning in overtime.
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