porky88
14 years ago

Just an FYI, Mike McCarthy did try to put them away. Rodgers threw a deep bomb to put the score at 35-23, but it was poorly underthrown and picked off. Had Rodgers had more on the ball and completed it, we would be saying "nice call, Mike McCarthy" and wouldn't be having this discussion right now.

"zombieslayer" wrote:



I said stupid call to my dad while the ball was in the air. I firmly hated it and would've either way just because of the way the game was going. They needed a long drive to give their defense a rest.

There is a time to go after it and then there is a time to put together a put away drive. That time called for the latter.
zombieslayer
14 years ago
It's only stupid when it doesn't work.

Yes, would have been nice to put a long drive that would have given our D a much needed rest. I'm not trying to defend MM here. I'm just trying to understand what MM was thinking at the time.

I'm under the impression that MM thought he could catch the Lions with their pants down.
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yooperfan
14 years ago

McCarthy is going to turn into Marty Schottenheimer when he has a lead. That's just the way he is. I don't like it, but that philosophy has won a lot of games for Marty Schottenheimer and it's won a lot of games for McCarthy too. For the record, I like Marty Schottenheimer, but his teams lacked a killer instinct. The Pack couldn't put the Lions away today and nearly loss because of this.

For all the posts pointing fingers at McCarthy, at least he corrects his mistakes. The penalties were fixed today. The special teams coverage unit was passable.

However, Dom Capers has not figured out how to stop stacked WR sets. Until he does, Green Bay will have a weakness that will put them in shootouts more often than not.

Although, maybe this is just a fluke chink in the zone blitz armor. Maybe it's the players. I tend to think it's a combination of everything. But this formation is what torched Green Bay against Arizona and Pittsburgh last season.

While that was happening, the offense was scoring what 80 points combined in those games. Just sayin'

"porky88" wrote:



This is pretty much where I stand as well.
porky88
14 years ago

It's only stupid when it doesn't work.

Yes, would have been nice to put a long drive that would have given our D a much needed rest. I'm not trying to defend Mike McCarthy here. I'm just trying to understand what Mike McCarthy was thinking at the time.

I'm under the impression that Mike McCarthy thought he could catch the Lions with their pants down.

"zombieslayer" wrote:



Don't get me wrong, there have been times when I've groaned at a call only to eat my words during the game. Either way, I didn't get this call.

Again, football is about situations and I don't think he handled the situation well there. I understand the logic of trying to go get it on one play. That probably takes the wind out of your opponent, but the Lions kept fighting back. There was no one play that could have put them down. Sometimes you have to play keep away and that's what GB needed to do IMO.

Personally, I think the offense will get it together sooner rather than later. They always do, but this is just a gripe I have right now.
Pack93z
14 years ago
"Coaches coach.. players play."

There comes a time when repeat mistakes and trends start to point towards coaches not coaching effectively.

I don't think we are at that point overall from the HC position.. some of his subordinates.. I have doubts.

MM has a passive mentality overall as a person.. he is aggressive early and turns passive when the game is on the line.. he has shown it time and time again. When pressure crowds in.. your true personality comes out in most cases.. since I don't know him on a personal level I will check down to what I see in front of my on Gameday.. a passive personality.

His staff has shown that with the up and down trends from the discipline of this football team and how players are held accountable.

But overall.. MM I think is a solid NFL Head Coach.. just not a particularly aggressive one when the other team is on the ropes.
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zombieslayer
14 years ago



Don't get me wrong, there have been times when I've groaned at a call only to eat my words during the game. Either way, I didn't get this call.

Again, football is about situations and I don't think he handled the situation well there. I understand the logic of trying to go get it on one play. That probably takes the wind out of your opponent, but the Lions kept fighting back. There was no one play that could have put them down. Sometimes you have to play keep away and that's what GB needed to do IMO.

Personally, I think the offense will get it together sooner rather than later. They always do, but this is just a gripe I have right now.

"porky88" wrote:



I like football played where you're ALWAYS up by 2 scores. I like 35-23. I don't like 28-23.

I understand where you're coming from. Seriously. I do.

In this case though, I'll defend MM's call. He thought he could catch them playing short pass. He was wrong. He was going for the kill.

There's beauty in the 2 score rule. It causes desperation in opponents. Yes, the Lions kept bouncing back. But if we kept a 2 score lead, the clock will eventually run out on them.

Plus, desperation makes people stupid. We got a Hall of Famer and two perennial Pro Bowlers back there in the D that were due for something big. Keep them desperate.
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zombieslayer
14 years ago



But overall.. Mike McCarthy I think is a solid NFL Head Coach.. just not a particularly aggressive one when the other team is on the ropes.

"pack93z" wrote:



Agreed, but this time he did what we wanted him to do - go for the kill shot. It got picked off.
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ILikeThePackers39
14 years ago

Just an FYI, Mike McCarthy did try to put them away. Rodgers threw a deep bomb to put the score at 35-23, but it was poorly underthrown and picked off. Had Rodgers had more on the ball and completed it, we would be saying "nice call, Mike McCarthy" and wouldn't be having this discussion right now.

"porky88" wrote:



I said stupid call to my dad while the ball was in the air. I firmly hated it and would've either way just because of the way the game was going. They needed a long drive to give their defense a rest.

There is a time to go after it and then there is a time to put together a put away drive. That time called for the latter.

"zombieslayer" wrote:




Oddly, I agree with both of you. Like Porky, my thought was "We needed to grind some clock out, get the defense a rest and impose some will on them, not try to get it all in one flashy play." But Zombie's right that had the pass been completed people would have called it a brilliant play.

But really, they needed to grind some clock out, get the defense a rest and impose some will on the Lions at that point. I don't know if that play was what McCarthy wanted or something Rodgers switched to, but IMO it wasn't the right situational call.
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Yerko
14 years ago
The one thing that has consistently bugged me about McCarthy is the killer instinct. I like a lot about the guy, but the killer instinct is a dagger.
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14 years ago

The one thing that has consistently bugged me about McCarthy is the killer instinct. I like a lot about the guy, but the killer instinct is a dagger.

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I agree. I like MM. But he has a tragic flaw.

I wouldn't want to fight zombies with MM. He's the type of guy who won't shoot the zombie in the head to make sure it's dead when it's on the ground. That will eventually lead to someone being bitten by one that's only looked finished.
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