We've ran above average since MM arrived. Seriously, go look up the stats.

The OL can be blamed on Campen.

And if you call me a MM apologist, you're gravely misinformed.

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We had a 1,200 yard back the last two consecutive years while throwing for more than 4,000. I'd hardly say we had a poor running game.


Those who want to bash Ryan Grant, go for it, but know that he was a home run threat, SOMETIMES. John Kuhn is not. Brandon Jackson, is not. Therefore, no defense is going to worry about them until they prove otherwise, such as Ryan Grant has done.

Ryan is slightly above average and could have been a lot better if he had better vision.




Basically, if you have a RB that is not a threat to take it the distance, defenses will not worry bout you handing it off. Ryan Grant, like him or hate him, had the ability to break it for the distance.


Ryan's out for the year so we need to find someone to replace that threat. In my ignorant opinion, there's no chance in hell Brandon nor Kuhn have it in them to do so. Unfortunately, I think we have to wait for Nance or Starks and hope one of them can.

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Why would I do that? I was just giving a general time line. When McCarthy arrived in GB, Ahman Green was starting to lose steam.

The running game has been dead sense he left. The passing game in mm offense allowed them to manufacture a decant run game. GB has lacked a truly dynamic run game for a long time. The design of mm system is the only reason Grant is a legit RB. Why they haven't drafted a best RB in the last 5 years is beyond me.

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I like Grant, but you have to take his athletic ability at face value.

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Please, the Packers moved the ball up and down the field against the Bears. The offensive line isn't holding the team back right now. Yes, Julius Peppers lived in the backfield, but Julius Peppers is the most talented DE of the last decade. I'd argue Reggie White held that torch for about roughly two decades and then passed it on to Peppers, who will pass it on to Mario Williams.

These guys give the great ones a run for their money.

With that said, Bulaga is too good not to be on the field right now. Then again, I said that in training camp.

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The Oline is a problem every year for the first 8 to 10 weeks. Then they go on a run to salvage the season.
TT's problem is that, to begin with, MM was requesting "smaller, quicker" offensive linemen. That did not work out at ALL. Those guys all pretty much sucked. Since he has been drafting the bigger stronger guys, he's been more successful. Giacomini didn't work out, but he was a later round developmental type pick. Sitton and Lang worked out. I think Newhouse will work out and Bulaga will work out fine. Spitz will be fine.
But yeah, I'm sick of Campen too. I'm sick of waiting until the end of the year to get production.
As for the running game, Grant is a good RB, but he's not a guy who's gonna run screens, get the corner or make people miss. He's a guy who's gonna get what's there and then run up the back of his blockers. Pound him in the middle, and that's about it. We need someone to complement that. Starks could be the guy. Or Porter, but we have to wait a certain number of weeks to resign him, since we waived him injured.

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I'll take that any day of the week (run game) considering how much McCarthy has helped Rodgers and this offense.

Our offense has been elite every since '07 (maybe earlier than that) IMO. That thanks in large part to McCarthy.

And I beg to differ that our run game has been dead. Ryan Grant has had 2 straight 1200 yard seasons and the year before that, he had 900 something in the last 10 or 12 games of the season.

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Then why the fuck are you complaining about McCarthy?

Give me a break...

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Because he sucks as a HC. The way he throws from the "I" opens up the running game, which in turn opens up the pass through play-action. (classic WCO) How are you so sure his system is elevating the players? The players could very well be elevating his system.

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Thank you for this first part nerdmann...

This is a coaching problem. A coach should have the oline "gelling" by week 1...at the latest week 2. It shouldn't take that long to get a close unit such as an offensive going.

Our offensive line has talent and even more talent sitting the bench.

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