Kingkoopa
14 years ago
The only stat that matters on defense is Points Per Game and turnovers created.
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Tezzy
14 years ago
Except if you are in gameday chat often enough you know that for a lot of folks style points are awarded, so all stats matter. Also, when trying to explain how a team has a certain points per game rank, the other stats can help diagnose and tell the story. So all in all they matter to me when trying to make any sort of argument.
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LambeauEast
14 years ago
As has already been stated, points per game allowed is the main stat to me.
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Blitz
14 years ago

Except if you are in gameday chat often enough you know that for a lot of folks style points are awarded.

"Tezzy" wrote:



Nobody told me I had to have style in the GameDay Chat.
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warhawk
14 years ago

Week three is way too soon to be talking about stats like this.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



I disagree. I like it and hope he continues the effort. It doesn't hurt anyone and gives us all something else to discuss.

"Blank402" wrote:



To look at rankings right now is fruitless less maybe for talking points but....really not. We are ranked 28th in rushing D because a QB gained over 100 yards against us. I dare to say that in the six games in our division Favre, Cutler, and, Stafford won't gain a combined 100 yards in those 6 games.

The body of work just isn't there yet for these rankings to say anything. Some teams haven't even played a home game yet and some may have drawn a couple of teams very strong in a given area. We haven't seen very strong passing QB's yet so those numbers don't mean much at this point either.

I'm not saying don't put them up but to draw anything of substance from them it's just far to early for that.
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mi_keys
14 years ago
I said this in response to Zero pointing this stat out in another thread but I'll add.

As someone already said Vick had 103 yards rushing against us. That is not so much on the run defense as just Vick's ability to make something happen with his feet when the pocket collapses.

The Bills had 124 rushing yards against us. But they ran the ball 32 times despite being behind the entire game. They only averaged 3.875 yards a carry.

Finally, the one time this year we needed to step up as a run defense they did. On 4th and 1 the Eagles tried to run with Vick and we absolutely stuffed it.

No, I am not worried about our run defense. At the end of the year we will probably finish in the top 5 in run defense, or at the very least top 10.
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Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago

I dare to say that in the six games in our division Favre, Cutler, and, Stafford won't gain a combined 100 yards in those 6 games.

"warhawk" wrote:



Considering through Week 2, all NFC North quarterbacks (including Rodgers) have rushed for only 66 combined yards, I think that's a good bet. 😉
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Zero2Cool
14 years ago

To look at rankings right now is fruitless less maybe for talking points but....really not. We are ranked 28th in rushing D because a QB gained over 100 yards against us. I dare to say that in the six games in our division Favre, Cutler, and, Stafford won't gain a combined 100 yards in those 6 games.

The body of work just isn't there yet for these rankings to say anything. Some teams haven't even played a home game yet and some may have drawn a couple of teams very strong in a given area. We haven't seen very strong passing QB's yet so those numbers don't mean much at this point either.

I'm not saying don't put them up but to draw anything of substance from them it's just far to early for that.

"warhawk" wrote:



Whether it was 100 yards or 300 by a QB, fact is, it was rushed on our defense. Stop making excuses.

Saying there isn't enough body of work is about as smooth thinking you're the first one to say ... "Hey, grass... its GREEN!"


Again, its a topic of discussion, if ya don't like it, skip over it and move on with your merry day.
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warhawk
14 years ago

To look at rankings right now is fruitless less maybe for talking points but....really not. We are ranked 28th in rushing D because a QB gained over 100 yards against us. I dare to say that in the six games in our division Favre, Cutler, and, Stafford won't gain a combined 100 yards in those 6 games.

The body of work just isn't there yet for these rankings to say anything. Some teams haven't even played a home game yet and some may have drawn a couple of teams very strong in a given area. We haven't seen very strong passing QB's yet so those numbers don't mean much at this point either.

I'm not saying don't put them up but to draw anything of substance from them it's just far to early for that.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



Whether it was 100 yards or 300 by a QB, fact is, it was rushed on our defense. Stop making excuses.

Saying there isn't enough body of work is about as smooth thinking you're the first one to say ... "Hey, grass... its GREEN!"


Again, its a topic of discussion, if ya don't like it, skip over it and move on with your merry day.

"warhawk" wrote:



You don't have to get pissy about an observation.

Read the responses just above yours and it's fairly easy to see that it's not hard to dissect numbers after two games. Philly is ranked dead last in scoring D. Anybody think after a fair number of games that this will be the case?

The 'body of work" reference simply refers to the lack of data in the stats after two games.

Sorry, I thought this thing was all about people with good sense that have some football knowledge and don't blindly look at something without diving into it deeper.

Our run D sucks. We're ranked 28th. It's probably over for us.
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Zero2Cool
14 years ago

You don't have to get pissy about an observation.

Read the responses just above yours and it's fairly easy to see that it's not hard to dissect numbers after two games. Philly is ranked dead last in scoring D. Anybody think after a fair number of games that this will be the case?

The 'body of work" reference simply refers to the lack of data in the stats after two games.

Sorry, I thought this thing was all about people with good sense that have some football knowledge and don't blindly look at something without diving into it deeper.

Our run D sucks. We're ranked 28th. It's probably over for us.

"warhawk" wrote:



I'm not pissy at all. I just think it's rude to knock a guys effort simply because you (and most) feel its too early to be discussing playoffs.

He doesn't do the work and research because he thinks since we're leading our division in week three, that it's a lock we'll win. He does it to see how things progress from week to week.

I'm not sure why anyones bent out of shape on this or feeling the need to be a dick.

We ALL know and understand no team gets into the playoffs this early in the season.

I would imagine after our 4 - 4 start last season, then finishing up 11 - 5 would be enough evidence for ANY Packers fan to not get too excited, or too down on where we are sitting rank wise at this point.



This thread is just an informal piece, nothing much more than that. He's not saying "HEY LOOK WERE A LOCK FOR THE PLAYOFFS CHECK IT OUT"....




Less over reacting.
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