Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago

Big Ben pays for wrong-headed decisions
 

Jason Whitlock

Updated Apr 21, 2010 7:53 PM ET

Listening to the naive and dishonest media discussion about the latest sexual assault allegation leveled at Ben Roethlisberger, you'd think Usher (and maybe Rick Pitino) was the only other American who wants to make "love in this club."

No wonder NFL commissioner Roger Goodell had such a difficult time ruling on how long to suspend the Pittsburgh quarterback. On Wednesday, Goodell banned Roethlisberger for six games.

It's a fair suspension. Unfortunately, PacBen's transgressions have never been put in proper perspective for the public.

Tiger Woods life coach Herm Edwards declared that Big Ben's "moral compass" is out of whack. Moralizing, shallow newspaper and Internet columnists blasted the 28-year-old Roethlisberger for fishing in a college bar with the oldest lure in the book (alcohol).

And race-baiting simpletons wanted to keep a racial scorecard on how Goodell and the Steelers handled PacBen as opposed to Pacman Jones and kicked-to-the-curb Steelers receiver Santonio Holmes.

A lifetime ban for Big Ben wouldn't have cleaned up the stench of Donte Stallworth's DUI manslaughter, Michael Vick's Bad Newz Kennel, Plaxico Burress' gun conviction, Rae Carruth's baby-mama murder, Pacman's strip-club wilding ... should I carry on?

Now that we know the penalty, let's discuss PacBen in something resembling proper context. There is no doubt Roethlisberger is an idiot worthy of suspension. What I've yet to hear or read is a fair justification for why he deserved punishment.

When the Georgia police released the details of the notes it took during its investigation of Roethlisberger, the media cherry-picked and repeated the alleged "eyewitness" accounts as though they were as unimpeachable as a video replay.

According to the "witnesses," Roethlisberger's bodyguards dragged the accuser to the bathroom, blocked the entrance into the bathroom and Roethlisberger approached the accuser with his penis exposed.

Once these accounts were introduced as "evidence" into the court of public opinion, broadcasters and pundits had all the ammo they needed to convict Ben as "disgusting" and call for Goodell to take swift and hard action.

It was completely irresponsible. Statements made by drunken sorority girls are not facts. Statements made by sober sorority girls about an evening spent bar-hopping and drinking are not facts.

Late last week I received an e-mail from a former sorority president and current advisor to a sorority. She warned me that the media were being foolish for believing the allegations of drunken 20-somethings. She explained what she'd witnessed firsthand as a student and what she now deals with as an advisor.

Some young women use alcohol as an excuse to be sexually aggressive at fraternity houses and nightclubs and then quickly concoct a story of sexual assault when confronted by their disapproving peers. Most of these allegations never make it to police headquarters. The allegations are too sketchy and the accuser's immediate jury of peers reject them.

"I don't believe a bunch of hammered sorority girls in this situation," the former sorority president wrote. "I've seen too much bad behavior amongst them. It's all about having fun and then making sure you're not held accountable and your reputation is still good."

Big Ben's accuser was allegedly wearing a name tag that read DTF -- "down to f---." She engaged in a lewd and highly flirtatious conversation with Roethlisberger.

It's 2010 not 1910. Women vote, drive cars and knock boots at their own discretion. The popular R&B singer Usher makes songs targeted at women. His 2008 smash hit "Love in this Club" was most popular with women. Getting busy in the bathroom or getting a special "bottle service" at a VIP table are nowhere near as rare as joining the "mile high club."

If you read the police accounts, the accuser's sorority sisters drove this case. If Ben's bodyguards dragged the accuser to the bathroom, you could make the argument that her sorority sisters dragged her to the police.

Her initial story to the police was weak at best and made absolutely no sense at worst.

The case was so flimsy that Big Ben was never even arrested. Once she sobered up, the accuser didn't even cooperate with the police.


Let me repeat: PacBen is a freaking idiot who deserved to be suspended. Off the field, he thinks with the wrong head. In pursuit of a wham-bam, he's twice -- that we know of -- placed himself in a vulnerable position.

But the ugly truth is Ben isn't all that different from a lot of guys and girls who use alcohol as their aphrodisiac of choice. Any woman who has belonged to a prominent sorority has heard the lecture about safety rules to follow when entering a male fraternity house for a mixer/party.

"Don't drink the punch. It might be laced with a roofie."

"Don't go anywhere in the house alone."

The rules are reminders that no matter how nice the guy might sound there's a damn good chance he's looking for one-night-stand sex or trying to set up a train. Some of the women are looking for the exact same thing.

So why did Ben deserve suspension?

As Terry Bradshaw eloquently and appropriately explained, Ben doesn't know who he is and what position he holds. He's a millionaire franchise quarterback, an ambassador for the Steelers and the city of Pittsburgh.

He's not Usher, a rock-star sex symbol. NFL players, particularly high-profile quarterbacks, don't get to make "love in this club." That kind of behavior is way too high risk for someone under Ben's spotlight.

PacBen is no different from Pacman. They run with dumb posses. I don't know Goodell's reasoning for the length of Ben's suspension. But the commissioner should've hammered Ben for his "security" staff. Allegedly, Ben's bodyguards kept the bathroom safe from intruders while Ben attempted to or did make "love in this club."

Think about it. Ben basically hired men to hand him KY Jelly and condoms and stand guard while he had public sex. His instructions should've been this:

"Guys, if I get liquored up tonight and try to bang one of these girls, tackle me, drag me to the car, take me to my hotel, guard the door and make sure no one gets into the room with me while I'm drunk."

The accuser's sorority sisters were smarter and more mature than Ben's "bodyguards."

That should've served as the basis of Goodell's suspension.

We don't have a clue about whether the alleged bathroom sex between two drunken idiots was consensual. And we have even less knowledge about how Ben's "moral compass" compares to Herm's, Ben's peers, Goodell's or the broadcasters/pundits morally hyperventilating because Ben likes pretty young thangs.

What we know is Ben is clueless about how he should conduct himself given his position of responsibility.

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Finally an injection of sanity into this issue.
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zombieslayer
14 years ago
1. Legalize prostitution

2. Men - stop saying that if you've never seen a hooker, you're somehow better than someone who has

I've been saying for years that some males have more sex drive than others, and it's usually guys who have "superdrive" in one area also have super sex drives. Tiger Woods, Bill Clinton, JFK, Wilt Chamberlain, Freddie Mercury, Donald Trump, Hugh Hefner, etc.

Now if prostitution were legal, these men can sow their wild oats safely and legally without anyone getting hurt. Lord knows Big Ben has the money to afford hookers in whatever town he's playing in that day.

As for part 2, guys peer pressure other guys. You'll hear guys say that they have to "earn it" and guys to look cool won't resort to shooting their wad with a hooker.

I'm telling you, enact these 2 steps and the rate of rape and sexual assault would plummet.

As for Big Ben, no comment. Not enough info to judge yet. He's still innocent by law, right? He's just guilty by the NFL. That doesn't mean he's not guilty. It just means he hasn't been convicted. So no comment.
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Pack93z
14 years ago



Late last week I received an e-mail from a former sorority president and current advisor to a sorority. She warned me that the media were being foolish for believing the allegations of drunken 20-somethings. She explained what she'd witnessed firsthand as a student and what she now deals with as an advisor.

Some young women use alcohol as an excuse to be sexually aggressive at fraternity houses and nightclubs and then quickly concoct a story of sexual assault when confronted by their disapproving peers. Most of these allegations never make it to police headquarters. The allegations are too sketchy and the accuser's immediate jury of peers reject them.

"I don't believe a bunch of hammered sorority girls in this situation," the former sorority president wrote. "I've seen too much bad behavior amongst them. It's all about having fun and then making sure you're not held accountable and your reputation is still good."

Big Ben's accuser was allegedly wearing a name tag that read DTF -- "down to f---." She engaged in a lewd and highly flirtatious conversation with Roethlisberger.

It's 2010 not 1910. Women vote, drive cars and knock boots at their own discretion. The popular R&B singer Usher makes songs targeted at women. His 2008 smash hit "Love in this Club" was most popular with women. Getting busy in the bathroom or getting a special "bottle service" at a VIP table are nowhere near as rare as joining the "mile high club."

If you read the police accounts, the accuser's sorority sisters drove this case. If Ben's bodyguards dragged the accuser to the bathroom, you could make the argument that her sorority sisters dragged her to the police.

Her initial story to the police was weak at best and made absolutely no sense at worst.

The case was so flimsy that Big Ben was never even arrested. Once she sobered up, the accuser didn't even cooperate with the police.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



So if it has happened once.. then all sorority girls are guilty of these tactics?

Talk about framing a isolated comment to support the argument that he did nothing wrong... because the accuser didn't want to get drug through the media circus this would have become.. in the end what really could have been gained with some of the botches in the investigation and built in doubt for a jury to convict?

I am all for innocent to proven guilty.. but when the playing field doesn't seem to be equal.. one has doubts.

Examples:

IF we doubt the word of a drunk girl, why are we not doubting the word of a drunk male?

Why should we believe a officer that has been relieved of duty that was the first upon the scene?

Why should we believe a body guard by night, officer by day that is reportedly being relieved of his position?

Why should we believe a club that "lost" the video tape? Or cleaned the restroom while it is being investigated.

All those questions are mute I guess.. because some college girl wrongfully accused a male of assault.. so Ben benefits I guess.

This was not a clean cut case of wrongfully accused as some want to paint it..

Either way.. Ben is serving his slap on the hands.. and yet we expect him to change?

In the end.. I agree that there is not enough to convict.. but merits of proof and errors/oversights/cover ups in the initial stages of the investigation have to be questioned. Everything about the inconsistencies tell us so.

But to throw a blanket over the situation as a drunk girl trying to take advantage of a situation is utter bullshit... as much as there is insufficient evidence to convict Ben.. there is equally enough doubt to throw such convictions of this young lady out the window as well.
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Pack93z
14 years ago
BTW... In reading the GBI reports.. I didn't find her statement as confusing as some... and it seems that the statements of her party generally lined up as far as they could.. being separated by a paid bodyguard.

I would say.. that law enforcement in Georgia should be embarrassed by the whole ordeal. IMO.
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Formo
14 years ago
Pack93z, you make great points.

But, as much as it's Ben's fault he keeps putting himself into these situations, it's as much fault these young ladies for doing the same thing.

I'm not saying all rape victims are at fault, but rather the 'victims' that start out drinking. By taking that first sip, you must acknowledge that things won't always go the way you think they will. And the more you sip, the more likely things could take a turn for the worse.

Which is why I don't feel so bad for all these sorority/college girls who get raped at a party or after the bar.
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dfosterf
14 years ago
What Shawn said.

As unprofessional as that one cop was--the one that resigned...

Along with the two bodyguards...

The GBI was impressively objective...

That was as far from a "railroad job" as could be imagined, imo.

There were many witnesses that corroborate SO much of what these sorority girls have stated. I don't see how any objective person could come away thinking that the events as depicted by his "party" are anything other than them protecting Ben and themselves- It is an opinion that is pretty obviously shared by those in authority, btw.

That article has as much biased bullshit in it as any...on "either" side of the "question".


That case was instantly torpedoed by the initial investigating officer. His lack of professionalism is THE number one reason that Ben is not facing these charges. That aspect deserves far more weight than most seem willing to acknowledge, imo.
14 years ago
weren't we already discussing, in so many words, exactly the same reasons in the other thread? or are you just glad the media is expressing this?

I agree with Twinkiegorilla.

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Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago

D.A. Fred Bright Transcript plus the Post-Statement Interview
 

By: dwil

This following the transcript of Fred Brights statement made Monday afternoon. Additionaly, there was a question and answer period which is included below.

As district attorney, Im responsible for all criminal prosecutions in the Superior Court of Baldwin County, the only court that has jurisdiction of all felonies here in Milledgeville. The duty of a district attorney is to always seek justice, not merely to convict. When we have solid evidence of a crime, and can prove a defendants guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, we do that. Just as important, when we cannot prove a defendants guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, we admit it and do not prosecute the crime.

As you know, for the last month the Georgia Bureau of Investigation and the Milledgeville Police Department have been investigating a sexual allegation regarding Ben Roethlisberger. They have completed their investigation, turned over the reports to my office, which we have reviewed thoroughly. The sexual allegation against Mr. Roethlisberger cannot be proven beyond a reasonable doubt; therefore, there will be no arrest made, nor criminal prosecution, of Mr. Roethlisberger for his actions here March 5th, 2010.

The facts as they appear from our investigation are essentially these: On the evening of Thursday, March 4, and going into after midnight on Friday, March 5, Ben Roethlisberger was bar-hopping with his bodyguards and friends here in Milledgeville, Georgia, and attracting a crowd wherever he went. And his victim was bar-hopping with her sorority sisters. Both parties had been drinking alcohol prior to meeting each other. They did not know each other before this evening, but did meet at different bars throughout the night. They participated in conversations, some of a sexual nature. After midnight, Mr. Roethlisberger and his entourage were at the Capital City Club and the manager let them use the V.I.P. area. The victim went with her sorority sisters to the nightclub later. Mr. Roethlisberger invited them into the V.I.P. area where he provided shots of alcohol for them. Everyone agrees that the victim was highly intoxicated due to consuming alcohol. One of the bodyguards guided the victim down a back hallway. Mr. Roethlisberger followed her down the hallway into a small bathroom. The issue is what happened in that small, less than five-foot-wide, single-commode bathroom, between Mr. Roethlisberger and the victim. Significant questions about what occurred persist. A report was made to law enforcement immediately. Initial interviews were conducted. The victim was driven by a friend to the Oconee Regional Medical Center, the local hospital in Milledgeville. An emergency-room doctor and two nurses examined her. Noted in their report was a superficial laceration and bruising and slight bleeding in the genital area. Everything else in the medical examination was normal. The doctor stated that he could not say these were or were not from any kind of trauma or sexual assault. A standard rape evidence kit was collected. The doctor found no evidence of semen or discharge. The swabbings from the rape-evidence kit were tested by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation crime lab in Atlanta, Georgia, and the initial testing found human male DNA present. Additional extensive testing was done, but because the sample was so minute it would not yield a profile. The crime lab advised that extracting DNA from Mr. Roethlisberger at this point was futile due to the fact that no profile was available from the minute male DNA sample submitted in the rape-evidence kit. Hence, that is when Mr. Roethlisbergers attorney was informed that no buccal-swab samples for DNA would be needed from his client anymore.

The crime that was being investigated was rape. Under our official code, section 16-6-1, the elements of rape are having carnal knowledge that means having sexual intercourse, which requires penetration of a female forcibly and against her will. In this judicial circuit, we have always strongly held that a woman has a right to be safe from attack, but every case must be viewed in the context of its circumstances. Here, the overall circumstances do not lead to a viable prosecution. If they did, I would pursue it vigorously. We are not condoning Mr. Roethlisbergers actions that night, but we do not prosecute morals, we prosecute crimes.

Almost four weeks ago, in a letter to me dated March 17, 2010, the victims lawyer advised me that the victim did not want to prosecute this matter further, and explained her reasons in a letter that will be available to you today. The Georgia Bureau of Investigation, the Milledgeville Police Department, and I, personally met and spoke with the victim herself, her family and her attorneys 10 days ago and they all unanimously reconfirmed their position that they did not want to pursue this matter any further.

Before making any decision, we have made a point to have the clearest, most accurate record possible of what occurred. Law enforcement officers interviewed every witness that the victim or her friends told them was present that night. They also interviewed every witness that Mr. Roethlisbergers associates provided as being present. They spoke with everyone they could find who may have known something about what happened the night of this incident, regardless of their relationship or affiliation.

You should have no question that who Mr. Roethlisberger is made no difference. If he was Joe Q. Citizen that was poor and had the local public defender, or no lawyer at all, the result would be the same. We have been intent on insuring that he, like every defendant in our court, and she, like every victim we serve, receives the benefit of a complete investigation and a fair evaluation.

When I was sworn in as a prosecutor 28 years ago, my father, who was also a lawyer, offered me some sound advice. He told me to prosecute wrongdoing when I could prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, and when I cant, just admit it and not prosecute the case. I have always taken that advice and my oath seriously. So, after a thorough review of the law and facts, Mr. Roethlisbergers case will not be prosecuted. I will be glad to take any questions that you have.

Q: You say something did happen, but you just cant prove it. Would that be accurate?

A: I cant prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, a crime. If I did, I would do so, and Im admitting to you I cant. Something may have happened, but thats not a conviction.

Q: Did her wish not to prosecute have any bearing on your decision here today?

A: Yes it made it easier, but had she not written and taken that position, the victim, her family, and her lawyers, that they did not want us to prosecute the matter at all and they made it crystal clear in the letter an honest answer is I would still be announcing the same result. We, based on the evidence here, dont have enough evidence to prosecute. I know when I have a case and I know when I dont, and I do not have enough evidence to convince 12 jurors beyond a reasonable doubt that Mr. Roethlisberger would be guilty of the crime of rape. The final line in a jury trial is when, with pride in my voice, I point my finger at the defendant and explain to the jury how I proved that defendants guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. And if I were on the jury, Id say Nice try Mr. Prosecutor, but based on this evidence, even without that letter, you dont have it here. You didnt prove the crime of rape beyond a reasonable doubt. I would not even convict the defendant.

Q: What about probable cause though?

A: I live in the world of beyond a reasonable doubt. An honest answer: Its debatable. If you want my candid feeling, looking at all the evidence here, we dont even have probable cause. Probable cause is the standard to make an arrest, and we did not have probable cause. No arrest was made in this case, so theres no warrant to dismiss. We didnt even have probable cause in this case.

Q: Did you see the videotape before it was erased? Did it have an effect on this case?

A: Zero effect. The incident happened at Capital City Club in a small, dingy bathroom in what they call the back area, the V.I.P. area. Theres obviously no camera in the bathroom, and theres no camera in the V.I.P. area. As far as it being erased, it really wasnt. Technologys really not my thing, but they had viewed it. They had viewed portions of it. But theres no camera that wouldve shed any light one way or the other on anything relevant. There are some surveillance cameras, and they do show and they have seen them Mr. Roethlisberger and his party coming in first; the victim and her sorority sisters came in later. But thats not in dispute. Ive read all this stuff about this tape being erased. That really is a non-issue.

Q: Was there any evidence or lack of evidence that swayed your decision one way or the other?

A: The crime of rape has three elements: sexual intercourse, which requires penetration, forcibly, and against her will. All three elements, Ive got a problem proving all three of those. Its not the DNA. It was human. We can tell it came from a male. And we can tell its DNA. But thats all they can tell you. Its such a minute sample they said Dont waste your time sending Mr. Roethlisbergers or anybodys DNA here. It will just sit in a bag. We cant profile it, compare it, to anybody. DNA we can get through a search warrant, but there was no need to compare it to anything here.

Q: Have you talked to Roethlisberger since the morning of the alleged assault?

A: No.

Q: Why is that?

A: Thats his choice. The night of the incident, he gave a very brief this thing happened about 1:30 in the morning and as it was closing up he gave a very brief statement. He has not given any statement since that time, and thats his choice. He, like every other citizen in our country, has the fifth-amendment privilege against self-incrimination. Thats his right, just like its everybody in this rooms right.

Q: What did he say in his statement?

A: Ill answer what did she say and what did he say, OK? Lets start first with what did she say, and Im not going to go into all of the salacious details. Theres been a spectrum of her statements. Her immediate outcry, it was her sorority sisters. When she left the bathroom, she indicated to her sorority sisters, who were there, that she wanted to go home, and quite candidly it was her sorority sisters who were concerned and said, no, she didnt need to be back there with Ben because she was too drunk to be back there with Ben. It was her sisters idea to go report this to the police. So it was immediately reported to the police. There are a lot of Milledgeville police working the streets where the bars are. This is a college town. And when they took her to the first officer, he said it was mostly the sorority sisters who were talking and there was a lot of confusion, and he could tell they were trying to report something; it sounded like sexual assault. And the first words out of his lips, the police officers, he said, Did he rape you? And her response was, No. Next, the first officer said, Did they have sex? And she said, Well, Im not sure. And then and Im giving you the spectrum here we go to her first statement in her own handwriting, and I think its still pretty clear she was still intoxicated at that point; this was down at the Milledgeville police station. And she said in her own handwriting, I dont know if this is a good idea. He said Its OK. He had sex with me. Then the progression will go to her second statement, in her own handwriting, and this is probably 12, 13 hours later, again at the Milledgeville police department. Shes sober by now and coherent, and in her own words she said, and this is in her handwriting, I told him it wasnt OK. No. We dont need to do this. And I proceeded to get up and try to leave. I went to the first door I saw, which happened to be a bathroom. He followed me into the bathroom and shut the door behind him. I still said no. This is not OK. And he then had sex with me. He said it was OK. And Ill give you one more at the hospital: The doctors and nurses have in quotes, and this will be coming from the victim, A boy kind of raped me. I dont really want to go any further than that, but Im trying to give a fair spectrum of the progression from the initial statement.

In the words of the first officer to whom the outcry was made in his initial incident report, It is unclear as to what happened due to the complainants recollection being foggy from her intoxication level. Now getting back to the question of what he said. When the incident occurred, the first arresting officer phoned over to Capital City Club. He thought he had left he being Ben Roethlisberger but found out that Mr. Roethlisberger and his entourage were still there, so he told them to stay there. The first officer went over there and spoke to Mr. Roethlisberger and what was referred to as his agent. Mr. Roethlisbergers initial statement at the Capital City Club to law enforcement was, he said he remembered her and I told her she was too drunk to be back here. And then he said something about he remembered her falling and hitting her head. The victim, when she went to the hospital, never complained of any pain or any injuries whatsoever. After he said he remembered her falling and hitting her head, his agent, actually the PR person for the agency Mr. Roethlisberger uses, stepped in and said that he, Mr. Roethlisberger, wont be making any further statement without having an attorney present.

Q: Could you describe the conversation with the victims mother and father when you told them the reality of the case?

A: Her lawyer contacted me prior to leaving for a vacation to Egypt and let me know point blank that she and the family did not want this matter prosecuted any further. I wanted to hear it from her lips and the lawyer didnt want me talking to her without him being there. Thats normal. So we agreed until he got back from Egypt, and that occurred Friday, April 2. We all went up there. We met with the victim, her family, and her attorneys, at her attorneys office. I wanted her to tell me her wishes, and they made it crystal clear all of them, the lawyers, family, and her Mr. Bright end this. We dont want this matter prosecuted at all. She was a nice young lady. Nice family. They asked me to ask the media to respect their privacy. They want to be left alone, and I respect that. But we really didnt get into the details of the case. I discussed the case with her lawyer, the strengths and weaknesses, but I wanted to understand their wishes. They understand its my decision to make. Im solely responsible for this decision, but I do of course let all victims have input. They made it very, very clear not to prosecute this case.

Q: She was 20 years old. Will there be any prosecution for underage drinking?

A: No. Weve pondered it and let me explain why. First of all, he, Mr. Roethlisberger, theres a crime called furnishing alcohol to a minor under 21, OK? And she, the victim, theres another crime called underage drinking. Both of these crimes are misdemeanors. Now, if were going to prosecute one, weve got to prosecute the other.

Lets talk about him furnishing alcohol to a minor under 21. The only way we can prosecute him is through her testimony. As for her, shes gone through enough already. I think she has learned a lesson here. I hope a lot of people that were involved in this case learned some lessons that evening. And the truth of the matter is there probably was too much alcohol drinking by too many people that night. As far as Mr. Roethlisberger goes, he was here to celebrate his 28th birthday and he can drink whatever he wants as long as he doesnt get behind the wheel of a car, and he had two non-drinking designated drivers, his so-called bodyguards. But Mr. Roethlisberger and some members of his entourage were drinking. Now my office normally prosecutes felonies here in the Superior Court of Baldwin County. Misdemeanors involving underage alcohol consumption normally dont come across my desk and are handled in misdemeanor lower courts here in Milledgeville, and this case has been an eye-opener to me. And I will be the first to admit that we, as a college-town community, just like other college towns across the country, need to be more proactive and do a better job in making sure that those under the age of 21 dont drink alcohol at all, and those over the age of 21 drink responsibly.

Q: At what point did she know who he was?

A: Their first encounter, if Im not mistaken again, there are four different bars or clubs they call it The Velvet Elvis. They didnt know each other before this night, but when he came in town he attracted a crowd where, Hey, thats Ben Roethlisberger. This is a college town. All of these students have the cell phones and the text messaging. It got out pretty quick. Wherever he went, a crowd came. But to answer your question it was The Velvet Elvis. Thats the first bar that they encountered each other.

Q: But she knew who he was, the quarterback of the Pittsburgh Steelers?

A: I dont know if she knew right away, but it became obvious right away, Hey thats Ben Roethlisberger with the Steelers. My recollection is one of her sorority sisters said she was a big Steelers fan. I think it was one of her sorority sisters that recognized right away, Hey thats Ben Roethlisberger, the quarterback of the Steelers.

Q: Could you talk about the report that one of his bodyguards possibly blocked the place off from her sorority sisters?

A: The Capital City Club has a main dance floor. They have a curtain you can move over and screen it off. They let him and his entourage use what they call the V.I.P. area. So hes got him and his eight, nine, 10 friends. They did say, Let only girls back here. Let only girls back here. Capital City did have one bouncer stationed in front of the black curtain. There were two bodyguards back there. There was just a lot of drinking and talking and socializing back there. The best from a prosecution point of view that we get is one of the none of the bodyguards or anyone in the entourage talked about Ben being back there by himself with the victim, about any sex, about knowing of any sex, nothing like that the best from our angle that we get is one of the bodyguards said the victim asked to use the restroom, that she has to use the restroom, and so she was escorted back there and sat on a stool. Thats all he saw. He didnt see Ben go back there. None of the bodyguards or any of the entourage saw anything improper going on back there between Ben and the victim.

Q: But none of her party tried to get past a bodyguard to get back there?

A: One in her party had been ejected from the V.I.P. area and you get different versions of it but hed been ejected it seems by Mr. Roethlisberger himself, and its unclear as to why, or if he had said that. Two of her sorority sisters, what they describe is, Hey, our friend is too drunk to be back there alone with Ben; we need to go get her. And they say that and I think they describe one of the bodyguards the way they describe it is he had his head down, wouldnt look us in the eyes, wouldnt say anything. And then they went to get the manager of the Capital City Club and said hey, shes in no condition to be back there with Ben, and the manager made and again, you get different comments and the manager basically said, look, hes an NFL quarterback with the Steelers something to that effect hes not going to risk his career doing anything foolish. The manager I spoke to him personally when he gave me a tour of the place he told me he said he told one of the girls, or maybe both of them, there are two ways to get to this bathroom, and he told me, I told one or both of them that if they wanted to go check on her they could go another way. He says they didnt.

Q: You talked about your dad and his advice. Will this leave a bad taste in your mouth?

A: Everybody, I think, could be criticized for their actions that night. I hate to use this pun but Im not trying to be a Monday morning quarterback. But there was too much drinking going on. If he were my son, the best way I can answer that is, Ben, grow up. Come on, youre supposed to stand for something. I mean, youre the leader. You should be a role model. You dont need to put yourself in this position anymore. I mean, Ive read a lot about the Lake Tahoe incident. Weve got that in our file. Im familiar with that. If the case had gone to trial wed have used that as a so-called prior similar transaction, but the case is not going to trial because I cant prove my case. But if he were mine I have a son five years younger than Mr. Roethlisberger Id say You dont even need to put yourself in this situation anymore. I mean, grow up. Cut it out. You dont need to be back in a V.I.P. area drinking alcohol. I dont want to mislead you all, hed been drinking a lot, but witnesses say he wasnt like swaggering or anything. I imagine a man that big, 6-5, 241, could hold a lot of alcohol. But you dont need to put yourself in a position, you know, All you ladies come in the back and theres the shots. Drinks are on me. It is unclear, it is foggy, what exactly happened in that bathroom, but if I was there coaching him Id say, Ben, you dont need to do this. You dont need to put yourself in a position where youre alone in this dingy bathroom with you and this girl. Thats foolish. Grow up. You need to be a role model. You need to be a role model for your team, your city, the NFL. You can do better. And I hope hes learned something from this. I really do.

Q: Is this case officially closed now? Or if more information surfaces will you re-open the investigation?

A: Its closed. Ive made my decision and thats final. Its not going to change. Ill tell you this: Were still waiting on some phone records, text messages. Theres nothing going to be enlightening there. Ive got enough information. This decision was not difficult to reach. I knew pretty early on that this was the way this case was going, but I pride myself on keeping an open mind. I wanted to make sure that we made the right decision. Thats critical. But to answer your question, its closed. Were still waiting on a few bits and pieces but it wont change anything. Its closed.

Q: It was reported at one point that Roethlisberger admitted to having sexual contact. But he didnt say that to you, right?

A: Right. Ive sat at the computer at night and just Googled and Yahooed everything I could. Ive read every account that I could about this case. I read the same thing that you did, but that was not provided to law enforcement. The only information that came out of his lips to law enforcement was just a brief five, 10-minute bug 3199 and there was no discussion of sex.

Q: How long were they in the bathroom?

A: Nobody really knows. The only two people that know about them being in the bathroom were he and she. Hes never said he was alone in the bathroom with her. All he said was he remembered the girl and she fell and hit her head, and again there was no head injury. He never said how long. Her details are somewhat foggy I think due to the level of intoxication. Putting all the bits and pieces of the puzzle together, the best guess would be about 10 minutes, but nobody really knows. Im guessing 10 minutes from her going back there and coming out.

Q: Did the police report contain a recommendation or did you make the decision?

A: I made the decision. The buck stops with me. Im 100 percent responsible for the praise or criticism for this decision. Theres no recommendation to file. Were all in agreement, but it is my decision.

Q: Are you aware if the alleged victim or the bar owner at Capital City received compensation from Roethlisberger?

A: No. I wouldnt be privy to that. Let me say this, the victim, I got to talk to her myself and meet her family. Ive read all the accounts and Ive seen the expression gold digger. I think that would be inaccurate. I dont think money was on her mind. I really dont. Ive talked to her. More importantly I watched her videotaped interview that night, and if one was to describe her as a gold digger just after his money, in my opinion I think that would be inaccurate. Im not aware of any money or any payoffs or any civil cases.

Q: If theres a civil suit, would you allow anyone else to access your information?

A: The information is available under the Georgia Open Records Act, just like any other case.[/quote[]


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Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
I've also read rumors that the bathroom was in fact cleaned the next day -- after the police had collected forensic evidence -- but I haven't corroborated that. Notice the DA makes no mention of a contaminated crime scene in his statement above.
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doddpower
14 years ago
I know for a FACT how crazy drunk sorority / college girls act. I have been to endless parties over the past several years where the girls are every bit as aggressive or more so than every guy in the room. Of course that doesn't mean that's what happens every single time or in Big Ben's case, but I wouldn't be surprised at all.

Drunk college girls between the ages of 18-20 generally, and sometimes above, get INCREDIBLY drunk and / or high at parties and complete sodomy ensues. It often seemed to me that a few drinks allowed the girls to act however they wanted and have an excuse for it. It's certainly cool in some ways but lame in others.

Now that I'm getting a little older and essentially out of that scene I realize how much I'll miss it for the rest of my life more then likely!!

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