TwinkieGorilla
14 years ago
Fair punishment, too much or not enough? I'd have made him sit the year out, to be honest. I'm not saying he is or isn't guilty (*he is) because regardless...the guy should have had the common sense not to be douching it up at clubs immediately after the first accusation...not to mention the 2nd...and the third. 😳

I agree with Twinkiegorilla.

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Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
If he's as guilty as you think he is, please explain the utter lack of forensic evidence to support that bald assertion.
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Zero2Cool
14 years ago

If he's as guilty as you think he is, please explain the utter lack of forensic evidence to support that bald assertion.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:




An unsecured scene 

About eight hours after the 20-year-old student at Georgia College & State University accused Mr. Roethlisberger of raping her in the restroom, a janitor scrubbed the sink, floor and toilet with Clorox and Pine-Sol.

To the chagrin of investigators, no one had told him not to. The only evidence collected from the bathroom did not yield useful results.

"In this type of case, usually your highest and best evidence is found on your victim. However, in an effort to be as thorough as possible, you always process the scene as well," said Tom Davis, special agent in charge of GBI's Milledgeville field office.

Attorney Alexander Lindsay, a former federal and state prosecutor in Western Pennsylvania, said GBI "worked the hell out of this case but it was muffed at the beginning" by Milledgeville police. Mr. Lindsay, who teaches law at the University of Pittsburgh, reviewed the case file, most of which was posted online by the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

It is possible that DNA or other evidence of sexual contact could have been obtained from the bathroom.

"The bathroom was unsecured and washed with Pine-Sol. At that point, it was a factor in not only not having evidence, but a defense attorney was going to say the police botched the investigation," Mr. Lindsay said.

It was not until four hours after the bathroom was cleaned that the Milledgeville Police Department called in Agent Davis's investigators.

"Some agencies do wait to call, however we prefer to be called when the police respond and assess what they have," Agent Davis said. "The sooner the better for maximizing the potential for a successful investigation."

Milledgeville police Chief Woodrow W. Blue Jr. said a 12-hour wait was about normal before calling in state investigators. He said his department handles between three and six rapes a year, and Chief Blue said it was of no consequence that the bathroom had not been sealed off.


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Packers_Finland
14 years ago
Since he's never been sentenced, I would've thought four to zero games would have been a good punishment.
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TheEngineer
14 years ago

If he's as guilty as you think he is, please explain the utter lack of forensic evidence to support that bald assertion.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



Nice.

Pretty strong suspension, I feel. How are these suspensions ruled? Before a panel, or arbritration committee, or ole Goodell's decision alone? Does Roethlisberger get to make a case or is the ruling made in private?
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Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
TheEngineer, I understand the lack of evidence in the bathroom, but there was NO evidence found on the girl either. A cut (cause unknown), a bit of vaginal bleeding (source unexplained), and an infinitesimally small quantity of DNA (source unknown). If Roethlisberger had touched her in any meaningful manner, there would have been enough DNA to tag him, but there wasn't.

Remember, vaginal bleeding can be caused by entirely consensual sex, by a period provoked by a strong orgasm, by a fingernail, by an infection, or any of a number of other causes. And cuts, well, they say nothing at all.
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Zero2Cool
14 years ago

Since he's never been sentenced, I would've thought four to zero games would have been a good punishment.

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I agree with this too. The freaking judicial system doesn't punish him, but his employer does? Just what did he do wrong?

I'm not saying he's innocent, but again not saying he's guilty either. With that said, I'm not sure how it's justified that he did something wrong if the court's didn't ... I just don't know.

I don't think the NFL should step in unless there's 100% proof of wrong doing or a conviction.
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Pack93z
14 years ago

If he's as guilty as you think he is, please explain the utter lack of forensic evidence to support that bald assertion.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



Here we go again.. it pits her word against his.. but you are quick to dismiss her word.. even though Ben was probably just has drunk as she.

As noted above.. you have a crime scene botch, along with a conveniently missing tape, and a police officer that resigned because of his remarks and piss poor handling of the report. Not to mention statements from witnesses that support some of the accusers statements.

Yet just because they didn't have enough DNA to compare.. ol' Ben is innocent. Maybe he is shooting blanks.. or too drunk to actually get off.

IMO, there is more reason to color Ben guilty in the public's opinion then not..

Also there have been reports that Ben has used this, get them drunk routine in the past..
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
TheEngineer
14 years ago

TheEngineer, I understand the lack of evidence in the bathroom, but there was NO evidence found on the girl either. A cut (cause unknown), a bit of vaginal bleeding (source unexplained), and an infinitesimally small quantity of DNA (source unknown). If Roethlisberger had touched her in any meaningful manner, there would have been enough DNA to tag him, but there wasn't.

Remember, vaginal bleeding can be caused by entirely consensual sex, by a period provoked by a strong orgasm, by a fingernail, by an infection, or any of a number of other causes. And cuts, well, they say nothing at all.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



Not to take away from your discourse here, which sounds perfectly reasonable to me, but check my previous quote carefully 😉. I was merely making reference to your humourously phrased statement in the context of, well, rumpy pumpy.
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dfosterf
14 years ago
The police work was so terribly botched in this thing that there is no way they could have convicted him of anything. Some weight has to be put on that aspect of him not being charged. That cop that resigned was a one man wrecking crew for the prosecution.

I read the report. The GBI did as good a job as was possible, imo---And while I initially felt that the DA was showboating, I think I have a better understanding of why his press conference was as revealing and damning as it was.

I think that the commish has hit just the right balance here. This should knock the arrogance out of Ben.

He sure as hell looks guilty of something very stupid in that bathroom, and I will not get into the rest of it. I'm not pronouncing him guilty of rape, and it does bother me a little bit that Ben is absorbing this punishment, but not much-guilt-wise, because incredible stupidity has been proved, coupled with aforementioned arrogance---

I really believe he got lucky in not being charged with rape...What a really fine line in this instance.


...They DID get a "partial" on the DNA from the male semen/spermizoa on her panties. (Two spots) That is not none. I would have to wade through and find that--- it listed the "partial chain" recovered. I am not an expert, but maybe Non or someone wants to go look at it--- It was letters and numbers that mean nothing to me. That IS in the actual GBI files released.
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