15 years ago

Rock what I am saying is that for the money AP has played to justify the money he got paid, Rodgers was on the bench so at this point money wise AP was the better pick. Basically AP started from day 1 compared to Rodgers collecting money on the bench.

"dhazer" wrote:



You know Rodgers was behind one of the top 5 or so QBs ever to play the game, and also the all time greatest ironman to ever play in the NFL, yet you somehow think sitting on the bench learning the game behind him somehow diminishes Rodgers' value as a pick? I guess the polite thing to say is that I strongly disagree.

I see you're qualifying it with "money wise", so here's something to consider-
Adrian Peterson's rookie contract was/is for 6 years, $40.5 mil.
Aaron Rodgers' rookie deal was 5 years, $7.6 mil. Pretty damn cheap for a QB of Rodgers' caliber, and the total 5 year cost is just over the per year average of AP's contract. "Money wise" the better pick? I'll take Rodgers.

Honestly, I see what you're saying, but I just don't see any point in what you're saying.
porky88
15 years ago
Both sides are correct in the AP vs AR argument. Both sides are also wrong. The fact is both picks were A quality picks. Even A+ quality picks. AP is the best runner of this generation and Aaron Rodgers is a franchise quarterback. He's a QB who has replaced a legend something that has only been done once in the modern era by the way.

They play different positions so you can't compare them directly. They've both have had huge impacts on their organizations. They've both been to the Pro Bowl.

As far as the money argument. That's nitpicking. Rodgers was selected to develop behind Favre. Paying him a lot of money is no different than San Diego paying Phillip Rivers a lot of money. Rivers actually made more on the bench and makes more now too. I really don't get that.
Rockmolder
15 years ago

Both sides are correct in the AP vs Aaron Rodgers argument. Both sides are also wrong. The fact is both picks were A quality picks. Even A+ quality picks. AP is the best runner of this generation and Aaron Rodgers is a franchise quarterback. He's a QB who has replaced a legend something that has only been done once in the modern era by the way.

They play different positions so you can't compare them directly. They've both have had huge impacts on their organizations. They've both been to the Pro Bowl.

As far as the money argument. That's nitpicking. Rodgers was selected to develop behind Favre. Paying him a lot of money is no different than San Diego paying Phillip Rivers a lot of money. Rivers actually made more on the bench and makes more now too. I really don't get that.

"porky88" wrote:



Both are A+ picks, but that doesn't take away from the fact that, when you can choose, you'd go the franchise QB way.

Peterson is the best overall runner. Maybe not the most productive one right now, but he's more all-around and more powerfull than CJ in his running style. (Although that's an argument worth having, as well.)

I don't know how much you like Rodgers. I recall that you thought Ryan had more potential at the start of the year than Rodgers. And that's still very valid. I think that Rodgers is one of the best, already. You have Manning and Brady who are in a league of their own right now and then you have Favre, Rivers and Rodgers. And Rivers and Rodgers haven't entered their prime or are just doing so.

Of course, I'm going to get blasted for this green and gold goggle crap again, but I don't care. I'd pick Rodgers over Peterson any day of the week. Positional value gives the nod to Rodgers.

Darrelle Revis, Adrian Peterson, Patrick Willis, they're all A+ picks in the 2007 draft. That doesn't change the fact that I'd rather have Adrian Peterson than Patrick Willis.
earthquake
15 years ago
Rock: No mention of Brees? Shame on you! 🙂
blank
Rockmolder
15 years ago

Rock: No mention of Brees? Shame on you! =)

"earthquake" wrote:



Oh, snap! Lol. Yeah, Brees is up there with Brady and Manning, as well, imo. People speak about his amazing receiving core, but I'm not that sold on his receivers. Payton and Brees make them look a lot better than they are.
earthquake
15 years ago

Rock: No mention of Brees? Shame on you! =)

"Rockmolder" wrote:



Oh, snap! Lol. Yeah, Brees is up there with Brady and Manning, as well, imo. People speak about his amazing receiving core, but I'm not that sold on his receivers. Payton and Brees make them look a lot better than they are.

"earthquake" wrote:



Agreed. Brees has arguably been better than Manning, or at worst just as good the past 3-4 years.
blank
tonyagnese
15 years ago
I am a minority, I LOVE what Ted Thompson has done and think he is a pure genious.
blank
Zero2Cool
15 years ago

I am a minority, I LOVE what Ted Thompson has done and think he is a pure genious.

"tonyagnese" wrote:



You're only in the minority that you're publicly stating you love what he has done. See, the ones who hate Ted are far less respectful in their distaste for the moves Ted has made and not made. Where as those who support the decisions are FAR more tactful. This results into many who support Ted to keep their keyboards untouched. It's unfortunate how it works.
UserPostedImage
Brandon494
15 years ago

I am a minority, I LOVE what Ted Thompson has done and think he is a pure genious.

"tonyagnese" wrote:



+1

I live in VA and pretty much all my friends are Redskins fans so I see what happens when you have a team who tries to buy a championship each season. Ted Thompson is doing it the right way by building thru the draft and while the offseasons might be boring he is putting togethers a pretty damn good team.
blank
porky88
15 years ago

I don't know how much you like Rodgers. I recall that you thought Ryan had more potential at the start of the year than Rodgers. And that's still very valid. I think that Rodgers is one of the best, already. You have Manning and Brady who are in a league of their own right now and then you have Favre, Rivers and Rodgers. And Rivers and Rodgers haven't entered their prime or are just doing so.

Of course, I'm going to get blasted for this green and gold goggle crap again, but I don't care. I'd pick Rodgers over Peterson any day of the week. Positional value gives the nod to Rodgers.

Darrelle Revis, Adrian Peterson, Patrick Willis, they're all A+ picks in the 2007 draft. That doesn't change the fact that I'd rather have Adrian Peterson than Patrick Willis.

"Rockmolder" wrote:



I think Matt Ryan is going to be the player of the next decade. I'm very very high on him.

Rodgers is right up there. Actually, No. 2 on my list of QBs taken in the last five drafts.

I don't disagree with Rodgers over Peterson based on position. If I'm building a football team, I go QB as priority No. 1 and then LT and DE as priority No. 2. RT if my QB is a lefty. That's based on philosophy, but as players at their respective positions, they're both home runs.

People don't like the BPA all the time. Rodgers was BPA and GB already had Favre. Peterson was BPA and MIN already had Chester Taylor. Sometimes it can work. :thumbleft:
Fan Shout
Zero2Cool (11m) : Packers were not selected for the 2025 Hall of Fame game.
dfosterf (2h) : PFOW Out of our division would be a good thing imo
Zero2Cool (4h) : Jameson Williams is done at 24 years old? What? He's a WR, not QB. I'm missing something here haha
wpr (4h) : Tomorrow is almost here.
packerfanoutwest (4h) : would you want him if Pack needed a back up qb?
packerfanoutwest (4h) : JW is done......stick a fork in him
Zero2Cool (6h) : You should. He goes to AFC that helps Packers.
packerfanoutwest (17h) : don't care
Zero2Cool (22h) : Lions shopping Jameson Williams?
packerfanoutwest (22-Apr) : Packers General Manager Brian Gutekunst says Green Bay’s roster can win, even without adding anyone in the draft.
Zero2Cool (22-Apr) : It's a poor design. New site has SignalR like our gameday chat
wpr (22-Apr) : Ah today's Shout was very quick to post.
wpr (22-Apr) : now 3
Zero2Cool (22-Apr) : Who? What?
beast (22-Apr) : What is he supposed to say? He doesn't want players currently on the team?
Martha Careful (21-Apr) : meh
Zero2Cool (21-Apr) : Sounds like Walker and Wyatt will be with Packers for beyond 2026
Zero2Cool (21-Apr) : It's so awesome.
Zero2Cool (21-Apr) : new site fan shout post fast
wpr (21-Apr) : Slow posting in Fan shout.
wpr (21-Apr) : Only 4
wpr (21-Apr) : Only 4
Zero2Cool (21-Apr) : If only we had a topic to read about and discuss it. That's something new website must have!!!
dfosterf (21-Apr) : Justice Musqueda over at Acme Packing put up an excellent synopsis of the Packers 1st round options this am
wpr (19-Apr) : 5 days
beast (18-Apr) : 6 days
wpr (17-Apr) : 7 days
Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : sounds like Packers don't get good compensation, Jaire staying
dfosterf (16-Apr) : Nobody coming up with a keep, but at x amount
dfosterf (16-Apr) : Trade, cut or keep
dfosterf (16-Apr) : that from Jaire
dfosterf (16-Apr) : My guess is the Packers floated the concept of a reworked contract via his agent and agent got a f'
Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : Yes, and that is why I think Rob worded it how he did. Rather than say "agent"
dfosterf (16-Apr) : Same laws apply. Agent must present such an offer to Jaire. Cannot accept or reject without presenting it
Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : I'm thinking that is why Rob worded it how he did.
dfosterf (16-Apr) : The Packers can certainly still make the offer to the agent
dfosterf (16-Apr) : Laws of agency and definition of fiduciary responsibility
dfosterf (16-Apr) : Jaire is open to a reduced contract without Jaire's permission
dfosterf (16-Apr) : The agent would arguably violate the law if he were to tell the Packers
Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : That someone ... likely the agent.
Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : So, Jaire has not been offered nor rejected a pay reduction, but someone says he'd decline.
Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : Demovksy says t was direct communication with someone familiar with Jaire’s line of thinking at that moment.
Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : Demovsky just replied to me a bit ago. Jaire hasn't said it.
dfosterf (16-Apr) : Of course, that depends on the definition of "we"
dfosterf (16-Apr) : We have been told that they haven't because he wouldn't accept it. I submit we don't know that
dfosterf (16-Apr) : What is the downside in making a calculated reduced offer to Jaire?
Zero2Cool (15-Apr) : Packers are receiving interest in Jaire Alexander but a trade is not imminent
Zero2Cool (15-Apr) : Jalen Ramsey wants to be traded. He's never happy is he?
Zero2Cool (15-Apr) : two 1sts in 2022 and two 2nd's in 2023 and 2024
Zero2Cool (15-Apr) : Packers had fortunate last three drafts.
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2024 Packers Schedule
Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM
Eagles
Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM
COLTS
Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM
Titans
Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM
Rams
Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM
CARDINALS
Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM
TEXANS
Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM
Jaguars
Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM
Bears
Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM
49ERS
Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM
DOLPHINS
Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM
Seahawks
Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM
SAINTS
Sunday, Dec 29 @ 3:25 PM
Vikings
Sunday, Jan 5 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Recent Topics
3h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

5h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

22h / Packers Draft Threads / Zero2Cool

22-Apr / Random Babble / Martha Careful

22-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

22-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

17-Apr / Random Babble / wpr

13-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

12-Apr / Feedback, Suggestions and Issues / Zero2Cool

11-Apr / Feedback, Suggestions and Issues / Rockmolder

2-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

2-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

1-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

1-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

31-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.