Wade
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15 years ago
By the way, I like your new avatar, Rourke.

Oops, she's your wife, isn't she? Oh well. Never mind. :)

She is a babe, though, IMO. Reminds me bit of a woman I've had a crush on for years -- also married, alas.

Doggone it.

p.s. Everyone in this thread is fulla shit. But not to worry, free, unlimited proctology will be guaranteed by the next president.
And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)
Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
FOS X-rays (yes, that is what we call them) are fun to look at. It's amazing how much detritus can accumulate in the human gastrointestinal tract.

Sadly, the woman in my avatar isn't my wife -- I'm married to a white girl -- but I did go on a date with a Taiwanese girl tonight. That was . . . interesting.
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Formo
15 years ago



I took your post with the tone that it was pointless to debate/argue/complain about these issues because of the jacked up politicians. If that's not the tone you intended, I was mistaken. I take care of my own responsibility. And as much as I would LOVE for the masses to do the same, I know I can't control that. I'm still going to remain outspoken about these issues, though.

"DakotaT" wrote:




What does this mean? See, I think with this one sentence you have pretty much summed up the tea bagger philosophy. But my good friend, how can we be children of God, and believe in that? Because you a have been given the gifts of intelligence and freedom, you owe something back. So quit bitching, pay your taxes, and enjoy your life. You've been outvoted by those lower on totem poll than you.

"Formo" wrote:



It's a CHOICE to help others. Like, investing/tithing into a cause, going out in the missionary field and physically putting in time, etc. Not forced onto the masses by a bunch of egg-suckers.

You know how in an airplane when those O2 masks drop down, they stress the importance of putting your own mask on first before helping anyone else.. Because.. You know.. Being unconscience doesn't help anyone. It's one's choice to put on that mask if you boil right down to the bone with it. Should be the same with this 'awesome' Obama-care bill.

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Yeah well I choose to use public roads every day and I'm also forced to use them as well. By your idealism, I should only pay my share if I want. It isn't the 1800's, "that America" doesn't exist anymore. We have real problems that are only getting bigger, and we need everyone contributing to solve them. The greed system needs to be put away once and for all.

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So socialism is the answer?

No.
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DakotaT
15 years ago


So socialism is the answer?

No.

"Formo" wrote:




We're Socialists now, well according to all knowing Rush and O'Reilly I guess? Just think if Reagan and the Bush's would have cared more about the poor in this country as they did about blowing holes in the Middle East, this legislation wouldn't have had to be so extreme. What is the running total on shooting Muslims anyway? I'm sure it's a tad more than the fiscal note for this health care bill.
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Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
There were actually a significant amount of debate about the issue of national roads during the era in which our Constitution was written. The consensus was that people should only have to pay for roads they actually use. A number of proposals for national systems of highways were proposed in the early years of our Republic, and they were defeated for that reason. That is why the only provision for federal roads provided in our Constitution is for that of "postal roads" to be operated by the Postal Service. (The federal government uses them, so the federal government pays for them.) Our Founders have been opposed to the Department of Transportation funding system we currently have because it parcels out money in a manner that favors local populations; in other words, people who will never use roads must still pay for them. This violates the intent of the "General Welfare" clause, which is intended to ensure that federal expenditures are only made for causes that favor the entire nation. The Founders envisioned a system in which states and local jurisdictions -- and more importantly, entrepreneurs -- would build toll roads, so that only those people who actually used the roads would pay for them. This seems like an equitable system to me, and with the modern technology available to us, would be quite easy to implement. People could buy "subscriptions" for roads they use regularly -- like the iPass in Illinois -- and thereby whizz down those roads with a minimum of inconvenience. For roads they used rarely, they could plunk down their change the few times they drove down them. If all 300 million people in this country were paying tolls regularly, we wouldn't need as many toll booths either, since the overall income would be higher.
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DakotaT
15 years ago

There were actually a significant amount of debate about the issue of national roads during the era in which our Constitution was written. The consensus was that people should only have to pay for roads they actually use. A number of proposals for national systems of highways were proposed in the early years of our Republic, and they were defeated for that reason. That is why the only provision for federal roads provided in our Constitution is for that of "postal roads" to be operated by the Postal Service. (The federal government uses them, so the federal government pays for them.) Our Founders have been opposed to the Department of Transportation funding system we currently have because it parcels out money in a manner that favors local populations; in other words, people who will never use roads must still pay for them. This violates the intent of the "General Welfare" clause, which is intended to ensure that federal expenditures are only made for causes that favor the entire nation. The Founders envisioned a system in which states and local jurisdictions -- and more importantly, entrepreneurs -- would build toll roads, so that only those people who actually used the roads would pay for them. This seems like an equitable system to me, and with the modern technology available to us, would be quite easy to implement. People could buy "subscriptions" for roads they use regularly -- like the iPass in Illinois -- and thereby whizz down those roads with a minimum of inconvenience. For roads they used rarely, they could plunk down their change the few times they drove down them. If all 300 million people in this country were paying tolls regularly, we wouldn't need as many toll booths either, since the overall income would be higher.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



So who pays for a project like the I35 bridge that fell into the Mississippi, just the poor bastards that drive it every day, or does the system you suggest generate massive slush funds to cover the inconceivable?
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Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
If a private company runs the I-35 bridge, they have every incentive to ensure it's structurally sound, because they will get sued into oblivion if it collapses on their watch. Not to mention that a private company would certainly have insurance to cover such an eventuality. I would think it would be much easier for a company to monitor the structural integrity of a single bridge or road (or a small series of them) than for a monolithic entity like the DoT to monitor an entire nation's worth of roads.

Something else to consider: It's been well known for years that Congress continues to fund substandard paving materials for our highways due to vociferous lobbying by union organizations against the higher-quality pavements that have been used in Europe for decades. Year after year competing technologies massacre ours in durability tests, yet we persist in using them. That's why the interstate system is essentially falling apart after 40 years, necessitating annual maintenance, while the Nazi-built Autobahn system is still in good condition with relatively little repair. (Hence the old adage: "Hitler built good roads.") It boils down to simple greed: The unions fear that if better paving techniques were used in this country, they would have less work repairing the same stretches of road annually. They would prefer to churn out shoddy work every year than improve the quality of their craftmanship. By contrast, private companies would have every incentive to use better pavements that wouldn't break down so quickly, so the end result would be more durable roads -- with less inconvenience to customers (for that is what drivers are) due to annual construction. And if they chose to be skinflints and not maintain their roads, people would choose alternative routes and they would go out of business.
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Pack93z
15 years ago
Something that is being lost in all this road talk is the economic growth that maintaining the transportation system provides.. which in return fills the coffers back up in tax revenue from the growth.

Tourism is also being ignored..
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
What economic growth? Every year we waste money repairing the same roads over and over when we shouldn't have to. If we built quality roads that lasted longer, we could divert those funds to other purposes that help our economy in probably more substantial ways. If I bullheadedly persist in roofing my house with shitty shingles that I have to replace every year, I'll never have money for a new hardwood floor or an extra bedroom. I'm stuck maintaining the same old, same old instead of expanding my living space.
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DakotaT
15 years ago

What economic growth? Every year we waste money repairing the same roads over and over when we shouldn't have to. If we built quality roads that lasted longer, we could divert those funds to other purposes that help our economy in probably more substantial ways. If I bullheadedly persist in roofing my house with shitty shingles that I have to replace every year, I'll never have money for a new hardwood floor or an extra bedroom. I'm stuck maintaining the same old, same old instead of expanding my living space.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



The growth is putting road construction crews to work every summer. In my state, roads break up every year due to the extreme cold. I don't care what material you use, asphalt, concrete, or rubberized asphalt; there is no such thing as a repair free highway. Also, I have absolutely no problem if the government wants to tax trucking companies at a higher rate due to nothing more than simple physics.

The country's infrastructure is in dire conditions because we've ignored it too long. It's time to put some people back to work fixing it. There you'd have some economic growth as well.
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