Since69
16 years ago
I love the 3-4 but we can't just switch to it during the season. And we can't just blitz all the time either - eventually teams figure you out and you get burnt. I wouldn't mind blitzing more often, but we have to pick our spots and do it effectively.
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Pack93z
16 years ago
I watched the game for the first time in the full last night.. Barnett is getting killed inside.. he cannot get off a block effectively.

But the root of the problem is the front is getting pushed around severely which is allowing a lineman and the blocking backs to get to the backers.. Monty/Thompson/KGB were getting dismantled over there and Jolly was breaking off is assignments.

After watching this game.. the Jenkins injury looks even more brutal to the seasons hope. We need a Vonnie Holliday type of run stuffer on that end to anchor the corner.. not get pinned in and collapse.

Yikes, they better step it up or find someone that can. J. Thompson looks very subpar and stiff.. disappointing.
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beast
16 years ago

Going to the 3-4 is a horrible idea.

Mainly because if we can't stop the run with 4 DL, how are they going to stop it with 3 DL?

If anything the Packers need to go to a 5-2.... That makes it easier to stop the run. But harder to cover but I think Barnett and Hawk can do it. At least a healthy Hawk could.

If that doesn't work maybe a 4-4 or 5-3...

Also the packers have been blitzing more than usually. The problem is that NO ONE is winning there one on one battles and getting pressure even with a blitz, and that making them looking worse than when they don't blitz so they stop blitzing.

Also has one one been able to break now the zone defense the DB are running ever since Harris and Bigby have been out? I haven't yet been able to figure out what type of zone it is yet... but it looks very weak over the middle.

"agopackgo4" wrote:


Wouldnt having a 3-4 plug up the gaps in the O line if you had the line backers covering them?

"beast" wrote:



Maybe if you have four physical LBs that can start. We have a injured Hawk, Poppinga, and maybe Bishop...

But it's still harder to stop the run in a 3-4... than a 4-3.
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zombieslayer
16 years ago

The Giants didn't blitz that much, atleast from what I saw. They had a phenomenal front four that provided a devastating pass rush.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



They actually did blitz, but used it perfectly - the right amount. The difference between their blitzes and our blitzes was that theirs worked.

Someone said you have to have better pressure from your front four for the blitzes to really work. I think that's what the Giants had that we lack right now.

Kampy's getting double teamed. KGB's not doing anything. Jenkins was doing well, but is out. Corey Williams provided tons of pressure, but he's gone. :(

We're going to have to do something different. We're giving opposing QBs too much time.
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porky88
16 years ago
You need pass rushing linebackers in the 3-4. Demarcus Ware was a DE in college, but he's OLB in the 3-4. That's because he's a pass rusher and built for it.

Same applied for Shawn Merrimen, James Harrison, Joey Porter, Willie McGinest and so on.

Poppinga would be the closes thing to a 3-4 OLB that we have and he wouldn't be a good one either in my opinion. Hawk would be an inside backer in the 3-4 and Barnett I think would struggle at it.

The bottom line is we aren't built to be a 3-4 team. We could get away with lining up in a 3-4 in certain situations. Just for different looks, but beyond that changing to a 3-4 base would be a mistake.

Kampman our best front seven player is also a poor fit for the 3-4.

The key to the defense is to keep our same look, but get more aggressive.
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PackerTraxx
16 years ago
If we could not get our offense set up to play with Brett, who had 16 seasons here, with the entire pre season to work with; how are we going to change our defense during the season?
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Pack93z
16 years ago
Well read into MM thoughts this weeks is pulling back on the wrinkles in the D so the young gents can just play.. I don't think it can get much more basic can it? :lol:
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agopackgo4
16 years ago

Going to the 3-4 is a horrible idea.

Mainly because if we can't stop the run with 4 DL, how are they going to stop it with 3 DL?

If anything the Packers need to go to a 5-2.... That makes it easier to stop the run. But harder to cover but I think Barnett and Hawk can do it. At least a healthy Hawk could.

If that doesn't work maybe a 4-4 or 5-3...

Also the packers have been blitzing more than usually. The problem is that NO ONE is winning there one on one battles and getting pressure even with a blitz, and that making them looking worse than when they don't blitz so they stop blitzing.

Also has one one been able to break now the zone defense the DB are running ever since Harris and Bigby have been out? I haven't yet been able to figure out what type of zone it is yet... but it looks very weak over the middle.

"beast" wrote:


Wouldnt having a 3-4 plug up the gaps in the O line if you had the line backers covering them?

"agopackgo4" wrote:



Maybe if you have four physical LBs that can start. We have a injured Hawk, Poppinga, and maybe Bishop...

But it's still harder to stop the run in a 3-4... than a 4-3.

"beast" wrote:



I agree with you that if you have 4 guys on the line, you are in good shape to stop the run. Unfortunatily we have no d line, as well as injured line backers. Its just really not a good situation any way you look at it.
beast
16 years ago

The Giants didn't blitz that much, atleast from what I saw. They had a phenomenal front four that provided a devastating pass rush.

"zombieslayer" wrote:



They actually did blitz, but used it perfectly - the right amount. The difference between their blitzes and our blitzes was that theirs worked.

Someone said you have to have better pressure from your front four for the blitzes to really work. I think that's what the Giants had that we lack right now.

Kampy's getting double teamed. KGB's not doing anything. Jenkins was doing well, but is out. Corey Williams provided tons of pressure, but he's gone. :(

We're going to have to do something different. We're giving opposing QBs too much time.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



Even when Kampman isn't double team he's not beating his man.

And Williams isn't doing anythign with the Browns other than one game, and didn't the head coach call Williams a bust so far?

I agree we have to do something different.
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zombieslayer
16 years ago



Even when Kampman isn't double team he's not beating his man.

And Williams isn't doing anythign with the Browns other than one game, and didn't the head coach call Williams a bust so far?

I agree we have to do something different.

"beast" wrote:



Williams was quite good under our system. Some players work with some systems and falter in others.
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