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Zero2Cool
Elite Member

14 years ago

Simple, start talking with Collins more intensely about his contract while you sign Clark.

"all_about_da_packers" wrote:

They're already talking; Collins agent said he was optimistic.

It's more about impressions than actual reality. Collins may well feel that the team isn't as serious about him as it is about players outside the organization.

More likely though, you over-pay for Clark and end up offering more leverage for Collins agent to use to get a higher contract.

Rolle just got an amazing contract. I'm not sure about you, but I'd take Collins any day of the week over Rolle. The market is already set pretty high; risk over-paying for a good - but not elite - player like Clark, and you may end up further driving up the value for Collins.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:

So, what part of MORE intensely did you not understand?

Collins is not going to be upset if we bring in a player that makes the team BETTER. He's more team oriented than you give him credit for. He understands it is a business.

Nick just wants what he feels he deserves, a long term contract with the Green Bay Packers that makes him one of the higher paid Safeties in the game. And I agree with him.

So there!

all_about_da_packers
Senior Member

14 years ago

#22

"Zero2Cool" wrote:

My bad, totally missed the "more" from the post.

I totally agree that Nick should be one of the higher paid Safties in the league. The problem is that of value, both financially and of self-worth.

If we get Clark, then how would Collins interpret that in terms of team priorities? In years past, Jennings / Driver / Rodgers / Kampman have all had their contracts re-done before having their final year play out. You go out and sign a Safety, then once again Collins MAY not take too kindly to that in terms of his own business dealings, especially since he has played his final year out and still has no extension.

I'm not saying we just should not go after Clark; Ted should do whatever he thinks is going to make this team better.

However, there are going to be consequences for the moves he makes - both positive and negative consequences. Being aware of them is important.

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British
Registered

14 years ago

#23

Also, I feel a lot of us are missing the bigger picture of 2011.

Let's say that a CBA is worked out. It's for certain that the requirement to become a UFA goes back down to 4 years of experience...

Look at the RFA list right now. Take a look at how many players would instantly become UFAs when a new CBA is signed. Granted, some RFAs will be taken care of, but my point is that the talent pool is vastly, vastly greater for the UFA market of 2011 than it is right now, even if all the players who are RFAs now do not become UFAs by signing an extension.

You can get by with Bigby and a draft pick this year. If you still find you need to upgrade the position, then you've potentially got a very strong FA pool to go after to do so. Chances are you can still get a decent player later on in Free Agency, as Uncle Ted loves to do.

Now, of course, if there is a lockout next year then many of the RFAs this year still become UFAs. Whenever a new CBA is done, the threshold for UFA is going to go back down to four years.

My point is: in 2011 or 2012... the UFA talent pool is going to be pretty good. More than anything else, it's going to include a lot of above average YOUNG talent.

It might be good to plan with an eye to the future.

"all_about_da_packers" wrote:

This is a great point.

It could be why this years free agent business quiets down quicker than normal.

beast
Select Member

14 years ago

#24

I got a feeling Clark isn't going to be a Packer but i agree that we should bring in another S if we can.

go.pack.go.
Veteran Member

14 years ago

#25

I have no idea why Ted isn't even TRYING to go out and get a safety or CB. I think Rolle would have been perfect...Hell, even trading for Rhodes would have been good. The Cardinals only gave up a 4th round pick for him!

beast
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14 years ago

#26

"go.pack.go." wrote:

And how do you know he's not trying? My guess is none of us know...

Also Rolle is pretty over rated... he gives up too many big plays...

go.pack.go.
Veteran Member

14 years ago

#27

"beast" wrote:

And how do you know he's not trying? My guess is none of us know...

Also Rolle is pretty over rated... he gives up too many big plays...

"go.pack.go." wrote:

Well I mean it seems like there would be reports out there that would say we're interested in a certain player.... NFL Network has been dead on with their reports on who is interested in who.

PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member

14 years ago

#28

I hope we get something in the DB area. I don't see a CB in the draft that we would get that would start day 1. We have developmental CBs. I would like to see a CB signed. Lito would be OK for the right price. He was only let go because of a 10 million bonus coming due.

Worst case having Harris, Williams, Woodson and Sheppard would be pretty sweet.

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beast
Select Member

14 years ago

#29

"go.pack.go." wrote:

And how do you know he's not trying? My guess is none of us know...

Also Rolle is pretty over rated... he gives up too many big plays...

"beast" wrote:

Well I mean it seems like there would be reports out there that would say we're interested in a certain player.... NFL Network has been dead on with their reports on who is interested in who.

"go.pack.go." wrote:

Yeah other than the Packers seem to not tell the media things (usually)

And I think it was reported 7 teams were interested in S Ryan Clark.

go.pack.go.
Veteran Member

14 years ago

#30

"beast" wrote:

And how do you know he's not trying? My guess is none of us know...

Also Rolle is pretty over rated... he gives up too many big plays...

"go.pack.go." wrote:

Well I mean it seems like there would be reports out there that would say we're interested in a certain player.... NFL Network has been dead on with their reports on who is interested in who.

"beast" wrote:

Yeah other than the Packers seem to not tell the media things (usually)

And I think it was reported 7 teams were interested in S Ryan Clark.

"go.pack.go." wrote:

Who were those 7 teams?

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