DanJustDan29
14 years ago
When I saw him cry I made up my mind that I wanted to keep him...
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zombieslayer
14 years ago
I want him back and I want to see him rushing the QB from the line more. If we can have 2 people with double digit sacks, that changes everything.
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14 years ago

The risky thing about tagging him is that we might end up actually keeping him a la Julius Peppers.

"get_louder_at_lambeau" wrote:



I don't see that as a big problem. If that's the worst thing that can happen, that just means the Packers pay something like $8.3 mil for a player who isn't worth that much money in an uncapped year. Not ideal, but not the end of the world either.

"djcubez" wrote:


They'd pay A LOT more than that (average out the 5 highest paid players at his position) but yea, I see what you're saying. The only thing about tagging him like that is he probably would be a bit peeved so we'd only keep him for that one year.

"get_louder_at_lambeau" wrote:



That's where I got that number. That was the franchise tag number for linebackers this year, unless you count the four grand that I rounded off as a lot more. I'm sure it will go up for 2010, but that's what it is now.

"djcubez" wrote:



Here ya go, DJ, the new franchise number for a linebacker for this coming year is $8.373 mil , so I was off by $73,000. Does that change your opinion as far as franchising Kampy at all? I agree that it would be overpaying, but Ted did that with Corey Williams a couple years ago.
blueleopard
14 years ago

I want him back and I want to see him rushing the QB from the line more. If we can have 2 people with double digit sacks, that changes everything.

"zombieslayer" wrote:



It also continues to leave the middle of the field open for an elite QB to eat us.
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zombieslayer
14 years ago



It also continues to leave the middle of the field open for an elite QB to eat us.

"blueleopard" wrote:



An elite QB can't do much when he's on his back. Remember that Tom Brady had just about the best season ever for a QB in '07 and they lost the SB by getting sacked too many times. The Giants' DBs weren't even that good either.
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dfosterf
14 years ago
The franchise tag number is 9.68 million, not 8.37 million. The 8.37 million is for a transition tagged LB. I still don't see anyone concerned that Kampy and his agent will argue that he is a defensive end for tagging purposes. This has happened before when teams switch from a 4-3 to a 3-4 and the guy was playing DE.

You put a transition tag on him you might as well let him walk. He will be negotiating with every 4-3 team in need of a DE, and we would be owed no picks if he walks because we didn't want to match DE money.

You can just go look at that number and see how ugly it is, plus maybe consider he just might want to be a DE regardless, what with the pay differential and all...
all_about_da_packers
14 years ago



It also continues to leave the middle of the field open for an elite QB to eat us.

"blueleopard" wrote:




You know, idiotic comments like these are getting to me now. Newsflash: against the Steelers and Cards in the playoffs, Kampman did not play because he was injured.

Put simply, you are confusing a possibility of something happening with the idea that it must have happened.

Kampman is not the first guy you want to cover someone - I get that.

Pray tell, though, when exactly have you seen Kampman drop into coverage and get beaten the past season? I'll make it easy for you: just give me one instance of this happening.


Fact is, people are mistakenly making a leap of logic by assuming if something could happen, then it did happen.

Kampman's first job in this defence is to attack from the LOS. Be it versus a run play or a pass play, he will primarily be responsible for crossing the LOS and attacking the RT (and whichever other play should be helping him the RT out).

Because Kampman dropped into coverage, people assume he must have given up a big play. Someone please point out the game this happens.
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all_about_da_packers
14 years ago

The franchise tag number is 9.68 million, not 8.37 million. The 8.37 million is for a transition tagged LB. I still don't see anyone concerned that Kampy and his agent will argue that he is a defensive end for tagging purposes. This has happened before when teams switch from a 4-3 to a 3-4 and the guy was playing DE.

"dfosterf" wrote:




DF, I believe it was just last year that a new franchise tag was introduced for DE/OLB players in the 3-4. This is what happened with Terrell Suggs of the Ravens, last off-season I believe; it is the team that has say on the position of the player, as opposed to the player himself.
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dfosterf
14 years ago

The franchise tag number is 9.68 million, not 8.37 million. The 8.37 million is for a transition tagged LB. I still don't see anyone concerned that Kampy and his agent will argue that he is a defensive end for tagging purposes. This has happened before when teams switch from a 4-3 to a 3-4 and the guy was playing DE.

"all_about_da_packers" wrote:




DF, I believe it was just last year that a new franchise tag was introduced for DE/OLB players in the 3-4. This is what happened with Terrell Suggs of the Ravens, last off-season I believe; it is the team that has say on the position of the player, as opposed to the player himself.

"dfosterf" wrote:



That is good, because --- you know damn well his agent would be trying to get to that friggin' 12 mil figure if he had a chance.

Thanks for the update and clarification.

So as it stands the money is just obscene, not ridiculously obscene, lol

The argument (the agent would use--and it was effective)

"Mr. arbitrator, we don't CARE what position he played LAST year, he became VESTED as a DE...yada yada yada"
14 years ago

The franchise tag number is 9.68 million, not 8.37 million. The 8.37 million is for a transition tagged LB. I still don't see anyone concerned that Kampy and his agent will argue that he is a defensive end for tagging purposes. This has happened before when teams switch from a 4-3 to a 3-4 and the guy was playing DE.

You put a transition tag on him you might as well let him walk. He will be negotiating with every 4-3 team in need of a DE, and we would be owed no picks if he walks because we didn't want to match DE money.

You can just go look at that number and see how ugly it is, plus maybe consider he just might want to be a DE regardless, what with the pay differential and all...

"dfosterf" wrote:



My bad on the numbers. I was thinking that was the Exclusive Franchise and Non-Exclusive Franchise Tag numbers. A Transition tag would be useless; they'd have to Franchise him.
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