I never said they traded a second round pick for a 6th and 7th round pick. I never said that they could trade a 5th, 6th and 7th round picks and get a second round pick in return.

Point is they did give up higher picks by moving down and they got the lower round picks as a part of the package. I am saying these extra picks were not worth their time and effort.

Here is the breakdown:

Denver got 129 and 204 GB got 141 and 186
SF got 163 GB got 174 and 231
Miami got 174 and 231 GB got 179 and 218

It doesn't mean a whole lot until you put the players in.

Denver got Julius Thomas Pro Bowl TE. Plus Virgil Green as a throw in.
GB got DJ Williams and DJ Smith. I will take a Pro Bowl TE anytime.
You can argue that GB would never have taken a TE with Finely on the team. Maybe not, maybe so. They have drafted other TE since htey drafted Finley. They may have taken House 2 spots earlier and then still had their supp pick left over. Who knows who they would have drafted. Maybe one of the players that was taken before they picked up Williams.

SF got Dan Kilgore. He has been their starting center for the past 2 season. GB got nothing for this trade because they traded the 2 picks away to Miami.

Miami got Charles Clay who has started as their safety for about 3/4 of the games the past years. Along with Frank Kearse. GB got Schauderaff and Ryan Taylor.

None of the players may be sexy but clearly the team that moved up got better quality players than GB who moved down. The 3 teams that moved up got a starting player. GB got reserves who are no longer with the team outside of Taylor who was drafted only to be a ST player. No matter how good Taylor is the ST have stunk for the past few years.

Originally Posted by: wpr 

I think it's not really about moving up or down. It's all about the work done scouting and the result of it: the board.
Denver got Thomas good for them, Seattle got Sherman good for them and we got Cobb good for us.
I can't see as a failure that Denver and Seattle got two players right. The problem airses when most teams do a better job than us and I don't think that was the case in 2011.

Originally Posted by: luigis 

Exactly, it's not about draft strategy it's all about evaluation. The simple fact is Denver evaluated Thomas better than us. Even they didn't do that good of a job with him nor did Seattle with Sherman or they never would have risked those guys falling that far.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 

Supposing Thomas and Sherman horrifically broke both bones in their legs and were out for two years. Would you then call them busts?

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 

Supposing Thomas and Sherman horrifically broke both bones in their legs and were out for two years. Would you then call them busts?

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 

Sherrod has seen both sides of the coin.
True, he suffered a terrible injury and took a lot of time to recover.
But when healthy he was behind Marshall Newhouse in the depth chart.

So we can't say he is a bust because of injuries but everything seems to point to him going to be a bust regardless of injuries.

Originally Posted by: luigis 

I don't know man. I'd think we should be giving him the same slack Ron Wolf gave Flanny. I believe he took four years to recover from the same kind of compound fracture. He turned into a Pro Bowl Center in 2003.

I'm happy just holding off on Derrick Sherrod and waiting it out to see if he can come back before... what? He can't be deemed a bust?!!! He's just a Packers 1st round pick drafted to play LT and he suffered what for most would be a career ender. He's got my full support as a fan.

BTW, Flanny broke his in 1996 preseason of his rookie year. Came back in 1998. Didn't start at C till 2001. Made the Pro Bowl in 2003.

Sherrod seems to be right on schedule. Anybody working that hard to come back from that one should have our full support. As Packers fans we don't really need to deem him anything. Just support his efforts and hope for the best.

Originally Posted by: play2win 

Sherrod has seen both sides of the coin.
True, he suffered a terrible injury and took a lot of time to recover.
But when healthy he was behind Marshall Newhouse in the depth chart.

So we can't say he is a bust because of injuries but everything seems to point to him going to be a bust regardless of injuries.

Originally Posted by: luigis