I am not sure whether to put this here, or in the Gutey thread, but from listening to the Gutey press conference:
Originally Posted by: Martha Careful
You could always post it in both, as it does fit into both categories.
- Myers will likely be back. The ding in the last game may help in negotiations. It sounded to me like he was playing through things we don't know about. Fine by me. Alas, an unhappy Beast.
Originally Posted by: Martha Careful
I doubt the ding will change negotiations if they believe he's fully recovered already, which it sounded like it wasn't anything to be concerned with after the next day.
Also my biggest issue with Myers is that we picked him before the much more hyped C Creed Humphrey whom has been an All Pro since Day 1 as a rookie.
I don't really have an issue with Myers, other than he just hasn't been that good. Of the 40 players that have at least 300 snaps at Center, PFF grades Myers out as #38 of 40. Where he is 39th out of 40 in run blocking but at least 24th of 40 in pass blocking.
Based on how contracts work, with players being over paid with the assumption that people will then later pass them when their new contracts come up.
If you want to make Myers a top 10 paid Center at around $7 million per year because you trust him mentally, then sure, okay. But if you want to make him a top 5 paid Center at $10 to $12 million, then that seems like too much and I'd be looking at other options.
One thing in favor of Myers right now, is that there aren't many other good options right now in FA nor the draft.
Though the Draft does have some nice options at Center, but it's bottom heavy, there aren't great options at the top, so they'd most likely start as backups.
- OL additionally they are REALLY counting on Morgan, which is sort of risky IMO, I think a veteran FA would be appropriate here.
Originally Posted by: Martha Careful
They signed OT Dillard, and he seemed like a waste of space. My guess is they try to draft more options, Gute seems to like to have lots of OL, trying to develop them.
But I think they need to restock and get guys with more potential, especially at OT for depth. Jonah Monheim is one guys I've had my eye on, as he's started at LT, C and RT.
One item that surprised me: I can't remember if it was Gute or LaFleur, but they talked about potential OL position movement (Okay)...
BUT then started talking praising Tom (okay, so are you thinking moving him to Center?)
Then started talking about how he's really secured himself as an OT...
So either the back to back to back OL comments aren't related
or they're considering moving Tom to LT.
If that's the case, I would assume means they know they're going to re-sign Tom, but aren't as sure if they're going to re-sign Walker.
Also back when they switched Lang and Sitton, they talked about liking to make sure they can run to the left, and making the defense slide to the left, as it opens up the QB rolling out to the right. And having Tom and Jenkins next to each other, in theory, should really open up the run game to the left.
- Jaire is gone as is Stokes and Corner is a likely area for Free Agency signing
Originally Posted by: Martha Careful
Yeah, Jaire was pretty upset with the media when they were clearing out the lockers. Even saying something like he wasn't sure he'd be back.
My guess is they ask Jaire to take a pay cut since I think he's played less than 55% of the games over the last 4 years.
But yes, the coaches that we finished the year with have corrections to the Raiders, Chargers and Jets and those teams have a number of CBs that are FAs. Also I've wondered what are the possibilities of re-signed CB Douglas, as Haley's scheme might fit Douglas very well. Of course, Douglas might want a no trade clause added to it.
- Receiving answer was hard for me to read, but if we could get a relatively young guy, I think they would pull
the trigger on one as Watson will be back (no earlier than) week 12. And Doubs really needs to retire.
Originally Posted by: Martha Careful
I have no idea about WR, but I found WR Adams comments interesting, of course, Adams admits he likes to troll, so always got to take what he says with a grain of salt, but Adams talked about hearing the Packers want to add a veteran WR.
And the Jets are expected to released Adams... and I believe Adams brought up the Bengals WR being a FA, but I have a hard time seeing the Packers throw the amount of money at him, that would get the Bengals WR to sign, as he's considered the #1 WR on the FA market.
- He alluded to the coaching change and thinks he has the guys (perhaps a little Jerry Jones mentality, 'since I drafted these guys, I know its not the players'
Originally Posted by: Martha Careful
Yeah, I would counter that with how rare it is for the Packers 1st linemen picked in the draft to be the best linemen available career wise under Gute.
And even on our own rosters, Rhyan was picked before Tom and Walker. Brooks was picked before Wooden. Not the same draft year, but Enagbare before Van Ness. And they've had the same coaches, so a difference in coaches quality wasn't a factor.
I think it's simply that Gute often goes for the guys with the most physical potential... and expects Coaches to be able to develop that physical potential... but the best physical potential doesn't nessarily mean the best football player.
Which is one thing I'll always love about Ted Thompson, and surely he had faults too, but late into the draft, Thompson would often find true football players, where even if they only were on the Packers for a year, a decade later, you would still see that their on some teams bubble with a. 50-50 shot to make their roster even a decade after they were drafted.
Guys like Marshall Newhouse, whom only played four year for the Packers but lasted more than a decade in the NFL.
Clark Harris less than a year with the Packers, but more than a decade in the NFL.
Lawrence Guy, less than two years with the Packers, but more than a decade in the NFL.
Thompson was great at finding football guys, where Gute is best at finding potential and hoping the coaches can develop that potential into football guys.
Though Thompson did need to do a better job of finding speed.
Also, I will say, Van Ness really should of improved in the 4-3, but he instead regressed, I'm not sure whom is to blame for that, but clearly the DE coach is getting blamed and I was surprised we kept him over Jerry Montgomery anyways.