beast
2 months ago

This assumption that Bach is getting paid for not playing and should give The Packers a hometown deal is ridiculous.

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan 


If you're talking about my comments, I'm saying he should take a pay cut, but not a hometown deal.

He should take a pay cut because (in my opinion) NO ONE, not the Packers, not one of the 31 other NFL teams, or any other football teams across the entire world is going to pay him his current 2024 salary.

He can take a 25% to 50% to stay with the Packers... or a 35% to 70% pay cut gambling on being a free agent and getting to pick his next City.

Not a hometown discount if Packers are offering more than anyone else in the world, and they will offer more, because they're basically on the hook already and can't pay him $0 like the rest of the world can.

Work together, it can be a win/win (assuming he can get and stay healthy), don't work together, and it can be a lose/lose based on the situation they're in and that contract.

But sides are stuck and assuming he can get and stay healthy, both sides would be smart to work together as that contract locks them together.
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Zero2Cool
2 months ago
I'm not sure how accurate this is,but kinda fits the subject.


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beast
2 months ago

I'm not sure how accurate this is,but kinda fits the subject.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 


Just to try to put that into context, $19,065,514 of that is dead cap space, meaning that it's old money that's already sitting in Bakhtiari's bank account because he's already earned it. The Packers just have not yet accounted for it.

Dead cap space is a sunk cost and you should never make future decisions based on sunk cost, unless it's just to say you don't trust someone or something.

So that would be only $1.3 million in new money, which my guess is never going to happen.

I think the new money would be at least $8.6 million


Long but good article on Bakhtiari situation
https://atozsports.com/green-bay/packers-david-bakhtiari-contract-situation/ 

According to independent cap analyst Ken Ingalls, Bakhtiari could also have the option to file an injury grievance. For this to happen, the player would have to allege that there was some type of wrong doing throughout the recovery process — be it a surgery mistake or inappropriate rehabilitation process, for example.

If he files a grievance, 40% of the value of the process (usually the player's salary) would immediately hit the Packers cap. And that's $8.6 million in 2024.


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buckeyepackfan
2 months ago

If you're talking about my comments, I'm saying he should take a pay cut, but not a hometown deal.

Originally Posted by: beast 



Sorry to burst your bubble, but I read that somewhere else, not from you.

most of your posts are way to long to spend time on.




I was addicted to The Hokey Pokey, but I turned myself around!
Zero2Cool
2 months ago

Sorry to burst your bubble, but I read that somewhere else, not from you.

most of your posts are way to long to spend time on.

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan 


Do you need him to illustrate with pictures due your college education?? 😁😁😁 Sorry. That's making things personal. Only having fun!

I like long posts. Especially if they're formated well. I can't do them anymore cuz new job has government ties. And they watch shit. So, on my phone is all I can do during day.
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buckeyepackfan
2 months ago

Do you need him to illustrate with pictures due your college education?? 😁😁😁 Sorry. That's making things personal. Only having fun!

I like long posts. Especially if they're formated well. I can't do them anymore cuz new job has government ties. And they watch shit. So, on my phone is all I can do during day.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 




Everyone has their preferences.
I was addicted to The Hokey Pokey, but I turned myself around!
Zero2Cool
2 months ago

Everyone has their preferences.

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan 


I like posts that are two or three sentences too.

I just like reading people's opinions. Even if I disagree with them.
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dfosterf
a month ago

Just to try to put that into context, $19,065,514 of that is dead cap space, meaning that it's old money that's already sitting in Bakhtiari's bank account because he's already earned it. The Packers just have not yet accounted for it.

Dead cap space is a sunk cost and you should never make future decisions based on sunk cost, unless it's just to say you don't trust someone or something.

So that would be only $1.3 million in new money, which my guess is never going to happen.

I think the new money would be at least $8.6 million


Long but good article on Bakhtiari situation
https://atozsports.com/green-bay/packers-david-bakhtiari-contract-situation/ 

Originally Posted by: beast 


When you factor in that he purposely opted to not tell us when he was getting his femur smoothing surgery, along with his refusal to add void years to his contract, it is not unreasonable imo to presume he will be quite adversarial in the event that he gets cut. In addition to the contested roster bonus money, if he wins in a grievance, we may be on the hook for his entire contract when that grievance is adjudicated. He did post a date on twitter x whatever in November with no explanation as to why we need to remember it... could be nothing, could be something. We might find out when / if the Pack tries to cut him. He said he will be ready by training camp in that early Oct. locker room interview. March isn't training camp time. Food for thought.
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a month ago

When you factor in that he purposely opted to not tell us when he was getting his femur smoothing surgery, along with his refusal to add void years to his contract, it is not unreasonable imo to presume he will be quite adversarial in the event that he gets cut. In addition to the contested roster bonus money, if he wins in a grievance, we may be on the hook for his entire contract when that grievance is adjudicated. He did post a date on twitter x whatever in November with no explanation as to why we need to remember it... could be nothing, could be something. We might find out when / if the Pack tries to cut him. He said he will be ready by training camp in that early Oct. locker room interview. March isn't training camp time. Food for thought.

Originally Posted by: dfosterf 

It is really a tough situation for the organization. I would like to think he sees the potential here and wants to work a deal out.

Many will disagree with me, but morally, I think he owes it to the organization to try to work something out.

Go Packers!!!!
dfosterf
a day ago

This assumption that Bach is getting paid for not playing and should give The Packers a hometown deal is ridiculous.
He signed a 4 year 92mil extension, in good faith, with The Packers. Sucks that he was injured, but that shit happens.
Bach original injury is not the problem, he came back from that in a year.
The reoccurring problem was with fluid in his knee.
Now after 4 or is it 5 surgeries they are hoping they finally got it figured out.

The Packers put themselves in the current cap problem by pushing the money into the future.
The future is now.

At a minimum, the Packers are on the hook for a $19.07 million cap charge if Bakhtiari is released, simply due to the salary conversion accounting. On top of that is the $21.4 million he's set to earn in 2024.

Nobody is going to trade for Bach until it is proven his knee is healthy.
The question is do The Packers want to go into next year with the 40mil cap hit or do they release him and carry the 19.07mil dead cap?
Bach is still one of the best LT's in the game.
Is it worth the extra 21.4mil to find out?
They can also sign him to a 4 year extension, convert the 40mil into a signing bonus, spread that money out over the next 5 years backload his Base salary to years 3,4,and 5, with a player and/or Team out after year 2.

Don't confuse Contract money with Salary Cap hit.

The Packers have a tough decision to make.
I still think they should go into next year with Bach on the roster.

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan 



First off, the surgeries. When he shut it down and told us in early October, he had just had a 4th surgery. Then, in mid-November, he had a 5th surgery, described as "major". This was the femur smoothing/ cartiledge surgery, and the opened the knee back up- not a scope-
He has gone quiet about all of it since.
PRIOR to this surgery is when he said he would be ready to go by training camp.

If we cut him now, I see no scenario where he doesn't get that 1.3 million injury settlement for a vested veteran. That is new cash and would be in addition to the the 19.07 million dead cap.

He is also entitled to a roster bonus of 9.5 million or 10.2 million, dependent upon who you ask. Sad how you can find accurate parts of one article that have inaccurate parts in the same article. The 9.5 people say it is due on or about March 15th. The 10.2 guy says it's a weekly bonus, payable in 600k increments. Guess we find out on or about March 15.
What is bugging me most about all this is the very strong probability that if he is cut, he will file an injury grievance, and that automatically requires the club to place 40% of the potential award in escrow and tacks that onto the 19.07, and the 1.3 cash and cap. What is bothering me most is that he is very likely to win in arbitration by not having to do anything this year as a player. That would be all of that 21.4 million yet paid. Might take him a year to get it, but meanwhile, we are carrying that 40% of it in additional cap hit as opposed to the 19.07.
We cut him, his agent will come out and tell the world he has a fiduciary responsibility to protect his clients interests. My speculation.

Why wouldn't he get it if he files is the question everyone should be asking.
He will be lawyered up, ya know.

Sit on your ass and get 21.4 million.
That is in addition to the 126.875 million we have paid him so far in his career, so forgive me for not apologizing for being harsh, here.






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Zero2Cool (24-Feb) : Which came off like he's not ready
Zero2Cool (24-Feb) : Last I recall hearing was from GM who said he was "in the process"
Martha Careful (24-Feb) : Are there any relatively current reports on whether Bakhtiari is going to be ready to play?
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