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14 years ago

Souhan: Pin this loss on Favre's belated arrival
 

By JIM SOUHAN, Star Tribune
Last update: September 10, 2010 - 9:30 AM

NEW ORLEANS - This August, the Vikings sent three ambassadors to Hattiesburg to coax Brett Favre out of faux-retirement. Next summer, they should send the whole team.

Not to beg. To practice.

Thursday night, in their season-opening, 14-9 loss in New Orleans, the Vikings' skill-position players performed as if they needed nametags on the front of their jerseys, as if they should have taken time in the first huddle of the season to reacquaint themselves.

As in, "My name's Brett, I'm from Hattiesburg, and I'm real sorry I held out for more money.''

On this visit to New Orleans, the Vikings needed a 12th man in the huddle just to make introductions.

Favre lived a charmed existence in 2009. He didn't pay for his belated arrival because the Vikings started the season against Cleveland and Detroit, enabling him to make more warmup tosses than Mariano Rivera.

By the time the Vikings began facing real teams, Favre had developed a bond with Sidney Rice and a football version of telepathy with Percy Harvin.

Thursday, Favre played as if he had just driven over from his hometown of Kiln, Miss. On his tractor. With a cattail between his teeth.

Only a terrible decision kept Favre from producing 31 points against the Saints in the NFC Championship Game. Thursday, a blocked extra point kept him from cracking double digits.

"I thought our timing was a little bit off,'' Favre said.

And why would that be? Why would an offense that sliced through the NFL last year, that dominated two playoff defenses only eight months ago, be "off?''

Because Favre didn't want to do the necessary work with buddies this summer. Because he shirked his duties as a teammate.

"We left a lot of plays out there,'' tight end Visanthe Shiancoe said.

They left those plays in Hattiesburg.

For most of the game, Favre looked as if he was in sync with only one receiver -- Shiancoe. Favre misfired or misread passes to Harvin, Bernard Berrian, Greg Camarillo and Greg Lewis.

Right now, Favre might have a better rapport with those guys in the Wrangler's commercial than with the receivers in purple.

"Those are throws I should have made,'' Favre said.

There were two moments in particular that spoke of rust.

In the first quarter, Favre spotted Harvin isolated on a linebacker. Favre threw deep; Harvin slowed; and what could have been a long touchdown pass fell as an ugly incompletion.

Favre slapped his helmet in frustration as Harvin jogged back to the huddle. To be fair, that play appeared to be Harvin's fault, and Harvin's migraines kept him out of numerous practices in August, but these things happen when quarterbacks and receivers spend seven months apart.

In the fourth quarter, Favre faced a key third-and-11, and Camarillo broke open for what should have been a first down. Favre threw a bounce pass that would make Ricky Rubio proud.

"We have to get better, and we will,'' Favre said. "... You can't miss open guys.''

In the NFC title game, the Vikings shredded the Saints defense for 475 yards, failing to score more than 28 points only because of silly turnovers. The Saints defense ranked 25th in yards allowed in 2009, and was missing star safety Darren Sharper on Thursday.

Favre completed 15 of 27 passes for 171 yards and one touchdown with an interception, failing to expose the Saints' flaws and costing his team a victory.

"I missed on some of these throws, but everything felt fine to me,'' Favre said. "You can say in a couple of weeks those things will come back. This was the first week, but it means a lot. ... I came in as prepared as I could be. I can promise you that.''

That sounds like another Favre Fib. There is little doubt Favre prepared himself as well as he could in the week leading to the Saints game. There is little doubt he could have spent more time with his teammates during the offseason, or in Mankato.

"It's obvious we could be a lot better,'' Favre said. "Last year in the playoffs, I thought we played as good as we could have played. ... We didn't score as many points as we did last time, but there was a lot of potential out there tonight.''

Favre's right -- the offense will improve, especially if Adrian Peterson keeps running with power while holding on to the ball.

The Vikings' biggest problem Thursday: Their most important player stunk when they needed him most.

We've all assumed that the gray fuzz on Favre's face was stubble. Thursday night, we had reason to believe it was oxidation.

Jim Souhan can be heard at 10-noon Sunday on 1500ESPN. His Twitter name is SouhanStrib. jsouhan@startribune.com


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CDNRodgersfan
14 years ago
The only thing I don't agree with is I keep hearing how Farve should of been in camp to build chemistry with WR's. Well Rice was not there, Harvin never played and Camerillo came later then Brett so not sure how much would of been different
RedSoxExcel
14 years ago
This is the stupidest article. How would he have practiced more with Harvin, he was out? How would he have practiced more with Camarillo when he got traded after Favre arrived? Let me guess, if Favre would have returned, Sidney Rice would have been fine too?

He was obviously off but its actually pathetic the amount of the people that wait around to get at Favre. Why the obsession? If the Vikings lost on the ROAD against the DEFENDING CHAMPIONS without their #1 receiver, the reason is going to be Favre not showing up to training camp?

If Favre went out there and threw for 4 TDs and 400 yards would all these people have wrote about how Favre doesn't need training camp? Of course not. I guess "hating" is a form of praise?
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Formo
14 years ago
Souhan, Powers, Ruesse all suck. They hate Minnesota sports (with a few exceptions) and will take any opportunity to spray their venom at the 'program' they feel is getting too much 'fandom'.

CDN and RedSox NAILED it.. It wouldn't have made a difference because Rice, Harvin and Camerillo weren't around during camp. The only thing it would have done was shortening Favre's season.

Favre played better than his first game last year.. AGAINST THE BROWNS!! Yes, his rating was better last year, but only because of the INT he threw Thursday (which COULD have been called back if the refs felt like tossing flags).

The reason for the loss should be pinned on the playcalling. Now, whether it was Bevell, Chilly, or Favre checking out of run plays into pass plays.. That's another question.
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nyrpack
14 years ago
just more favre bashing, he came to camp at the same time last year and they won 6 in a row !!
jimmy b.
Zero2Cool
14 years ago
I think when it's mentioned that Favre hurt himself and his team by not showing up to camp, it was not so much the timing with the WR as it was him getting into a throwing rhythm. Sorry, you can't get into professional throwing rhythm with high school kids.

And I don't think it really mattered that much. He was still spot on, on a few throws.
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mi_keys
14 years ago
Can we pin the second loss on Favre's late arrival too, or his ankle?
Born and bred a cheesehead
longtimefan
14 years ago
Nope the Favre fans are saying it was Peterson being stopped on 4th down

and the Wr not coming back for the balls
mi_keys
14 years ago

Nope the Favre fans are saying it was Peterson being stopped on 4th down

and the Wr not coming back for the balls

"longtimefan" wrote:



I hope for their sake that is tongue in check.
Born and bred a cheesehead
Dexter_Sinister
14 years ago
Nope, they blame the first loss on refs. Favre was robbed.
I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.
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