Can Rodgers make great receivers?

dyeah_gb
Member Topic Starter

14 years ago

I was amazed by Rodgers level of play this weekend and it got me thinking. When Rodgers took over the roll as starter he inherited a great set of receivers. He has proven himself as a talented QB since.

One of the things that make a great QB is the ability to bring out the talents of his wide receivers. Sorry to bring up the comparison, but I was always amazed at how Favre could do this throughout his career. The Vikings WR corps looked much better than expected partially due to Favre's help last year. As we draft new WR talent, I will be really interested to see how quickly Rodgers can influence and lead new receivers as they join the Green and Gold. I have no doubt that he is up to the challenge.

The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool - R. Feynman

Wanna join the discussion?! Login to your PACKERSHOME forum account or Register a new forum account

go.pack.go.
Veteran Member

14 years ago

I definitely think he can. The 2 that he has had the chance to develop from the beginning are Jones and Nelson, also Finley but he's a beast anyway.

He's been a big part of Jennings, too, but he is a great receiver and knows how to get open.

peteralan71
Registered

14 years ago

I think that when a QB 'makes a receiver great,' that does not mean that the same receiver can go to any QB and still be great. If the same receiver goes to a crappy QB, then we truly see what kind of a receiver he is, whether he is great or his old QB made him so. This being said, the fact that our wideouts do so well makes me think that it has a lot-- no a TON, to do with the QB. Not only does he have to have the talent to put the ball in the right place, he also has to be the leader of the team. ARod takes the offensive line out to eat and such. The guy is a fantastic teammate. Another piece of evidence is the fact that he has about 6-8 different receivers each game. The guy can get the ball to ANY eligible receiver. I do believe that we have talented receivers, obviously, but a receiver is only as good as the guy starting the play.

Green Bay: Home of the Green & Gold. And the hunter orange. And the camouflage.

Greg C.
Registered

14 years ago

Yeah, Rodgers has that ability to throw very accurately with perfect timing. I think he really studies his receivers too and knows their talents. That sideline throw to James Jones, for example, was thrown in exactly the place that allowed Jones to use his best talent, which is to snatch a ball out of the air when it is thrown over his head. Rodgers has a similar chemistry with Jennings and Driver.

What are some examples of receivers who did great with one QB and weren't the same with another? The best example I can think of is Alvin Harper, who was a great deep threat for the Cowboys with Michael Irvin on the other side and Troy Aikman throwing the ball, then he went to the Redskins as a free agent and he was nothing. Bill Schroeder put up some good numbers in Green Bay, with Favre at QB, then did nothing in Detroit, although I never thought Schroeder was very good to begin with. He was a #3 receiver who was a #2 by default for a couple of years.

blank

peteralan71
Registered

14 years ago

The two examples that come to me off the top of my head where javon walker in denver and randy moss in oakland.

Green Bay: Home of the Green & Gold. And the hunter orange. And the camouflage.

Dexter_Sinister
Registered

14 years ago

The receivers have to get open and the QB has to recognize that and deliver the ball. The receivers have to be able to catch that ball. Without each other, the are not going do well on an individual basis. Fin, Jennings, Driver, Jones and Nelson are good at getting open, catching the ball, taking hits, making moves after the catch etc. Rodgers is good at reading the D, recognizing what the receivers and the D are going to do and getting the ball to a point where the receiver will be the only one who can catch it. If he screws up the receivers have shown the ability to take it back or knock it down. I think that the two are inseparable. QBs need the team to allow them to be great, the QB has to step up and deliver.

A QB cannot get make a WR hang onto the ball, can't get them YACs, can't make them get tough, one handed catches with DBs draped all over them. Conversely a WR can't make the throw be there, one time an catchable.

A WR can make a QB better and a QB can make his WRs better. To be Great, they both need to work together to make each other better.

I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.

peteralan71
Registered

14 years ago

"Dexter_Sinister" wrote:

Well done. However, if I were to ask you which of the two (WRs or QB) have more to do with the success of the unit?

Green Bay: Home of the Green & Gold. And the hunter orange. And the camouflage.

Dexter_Sinister
Registered

14 years ago

If you have 5 talented receivers and a talented QB. Take out one reciever and the Unit should compensate. Replace them all, like taking a well performing QB out of NE and moving to say, KC and if there is no talent to throw too, the QB will appear to suck. Take a poor performing QB from tampa and put him on a championship team in SF and he becomes the greatest QB ever. (Hyperbole)

Moss and Walker have been mentioned as examples for WR. I would also add TO in Buffalo.

Neither can perform alone. The Receiving corps needs something to catch and the QB needs some one to throw to. Which is more important on a bicycle, the front wheel or the back? It is only the synergy of the two that makes crashing into mailboxes on AFV possible.

I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.

Cheesey
Preferred Member

14 years ago

Dexter hit the nail on the head.
If you don't have a decent QB that can get the ball to the WR's, it doesn't matter how good the WR is. If you have both a good WR and good QB, they both will flourish.

I think a great QB can make a so-so WR look better.
But a great WR won't make a so-so QB look better, if said QB can't get the ball to him.

Dexter_Sinister
Registered

14 years ago

#10

"Cheesey" wrote:

I think Fin and DD can make Rodgers look better. One handed catches with DBs draped all over them, diving, jumping and out muscling the defenders. Adjusting routs on the fly, coming back to the ball and staying alive during a scramble and huge YACs. A great WR makes the QB look better.

I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.

Important Information:

The PACKERSHOME uses cookies. By continuing to browse this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. More Details Close

Fan Shout

Martha Careful (30m) : I hope it is colder than a well-diggers ass on Thanksgiving night.

Zero2Cool (8h) : doubt he wants to face the speedsters

beast (8h) : Dolphins offense can be explosive... I wonder if we'll have Alexander back

Zero2Cool (10h) : No Doubs could be issue Thursday

Mucky Tundra (14h) : Bears. Santos. Blocked FG

Zero2Cool (24-Nov) : Bears. Vikings. OT

Mucky Tundra (24-Nov) : Thems the breaks I guess

Mucky Tundra (24-Nov) : Two players out and Williams had an injury designation this week but Oladapo is a healthy scratch

Zero2Cool (24-Nov) : Packers inactives vs 49ers: • CB Jaire Alexander • S Kitan Oladapo • LB Edgerrin Cooper • OL Jacob Monk

TheKanataThrilla (24-Nov) : Aaron Jones with a costly red zone fumble

Zero2Cool (24-Nov) : When we trade Malik for a 1st rounder, we'll need a new QB2.

packerfanoutwest (23-Nov) : Report: Aaron Rodgers wants to play in 2025, but not for the Jets

beast (23-Nov) : That's what I told the Police officer about my speed when he pulled me over

packerfanoutwest (23-Nov) : NFL told Bears that Packers’ blocked field goal was legal

packerfanoutwest (22-Nov) : 49ers are underdogs at Packers, ending streak of 36 straight games as favorites

Zero2Cool (22-Nov) : 49ers might be down their QB, DL, TE and LT?

packerfanoutwest (22-Nov) : Jaire Alexander says he has a torn PCL

Zero2Cool (20-Nov) : Even with the context it's ... what?

Mucky Tundra (20-Nov) : Matt LaFleur without context: “I don’t wanna pat you on the butt and you poop in my hand.”

beast (20-Nov) : We brought in a former Packers OL coach to help evaluate OL as a scout

beast (20-Nov) : Jets have been pretty good at picking DL

Zero2Cool (20-Nov) : He landed good players thanks to high draft slot. He isn't good.

Zero2Cool (20-Nov) : He can shove his knowledge up his ass. He knows nothing.

beast (20-Nov) : More knowledge, just like bring in the Jets head coach

Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : What? Why? Huh?

beast (19-Nov) : I wonder if the Packers might to try to bring Douglas in through Milt Hendrickson/Ravens connections

Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : The Jets fired Joe Douglas, per sources

packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : Jets are a mess......

Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : Pretty sure Jets fired their scouting staff and just pluck former Packers.

Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : Jets sign Anders Carlson to their 53.

Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : When you cycle the weeks, the total over remains for season. But you get your W/L for that selected week. Confusing.

packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : the total and percentage are the same as the previous weeks

packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : the totals are accurate..nrvrtmind

Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : I don't follow what you are saying. The totals are not the same as last week.

packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : ok so then wht are the totals the same as last week?

Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : NFL Pick'em is auto updated when NFL Scores tab is clicked

Martha Careful (19-Nov) : The offense was OK. Let's not forget the Bear defense is very very good.

packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : Who updates the leaderboard on NFLPickem?

beast (19-Nov) : Has the Packers offense been worse since the former Jets coach joined the Packers?

Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : Offense gets his ass in gear, this could be good.

Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : Backup QB helped with three wins. Special Teams contributed to three wins.

bboystyle (18-Nov) : Lions played outside thats why. They scored 16 and 17 in the only 2 outside games this year

Zero2Cool (18-Nov) : The rest of the NFL is catching up to Packers ... kicking is an issue throughout league

packerfanoutwest (18-Nov) : Packers DL Kenny Clark: We knew 'we were going to block' Bears' game-winning field goal attempt

Zero2Cool (18-Nov) : Lions seem to be throttling everyone, but only (only) got 24 lol maybe the rain is why

Zero2Cool (18-Nov) : Packers vs Lions game doesn't seem so bad.

beast (18-Nov) : Dennis Green "They are what we thought they were, and we let them off the hook!"

Martha Careful (17-Nov) : comment of the day Z2Cool "Bears better than we want to admit. Packers worse than we think. It's facts."

Mucky Tundra (17-Nov) : my worst case scenario: Bears fix their oline and get a coach like Johnson from the Lions and his scheme

Please sign in to use Fan Shout

2024 Packers Schedule

Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM

Eagles

29 - 34

Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM

COLTS

16 - 10

Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM

Titans

30 - 14

Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM

VIKINGS

29 - 31

Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM

Rams

24 - 19

Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM

CARDINALS

34 - 13

Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM

TEXANS

24 - 22

Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM

Jaguars

30 - 27

Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM

LIONS

14 - 24

Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM

Bears

20 - 19

Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM

49ERS

38 - 10

Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM

DOLPHINS

Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM

Lions

Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM

Seahawks

Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM

SAINTS

Sunday, Dec 29 @ 12:00 PM

Vikings

Saturday, Jan 4 @ 11:00 PM

BEARS