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Dexter_Sinister
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14 years ago

The O line situation and being down to our third safety had more to do with Favre having a better game than Rodgers last year. It still took a dropped TD in the endzone on 4th down and bad PI call on Woodson, also in the end zone, to beat us by 7.

Add up Rodgers turnover to score ratio and his turnover to yards ratio and he ranks up with Joe Montana and Steve Young. Favre ranks up there with Jay Cutler. Factor in QB rating and completion percentage and it really becomes evident. If Rodgers gets better over the years like all the other QBs did, he will easily be the best ever.

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Gravedigga
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14 years ago

#32

Favre was surrounded with a lot more weapons in Minnesota, a better offensive line, and a cute dome with air conditioning.

Rodgers was surrounded with some weapons (mainly our WRs), a semi-average offensive line, and outdoor conditions.

"mi_keys" wrote:

Here we go again with you guys. You say he had a lot more weapons which couldnt be further from the truth. His weapons coming into the season were much worse, esepcially considering he never played with them. I would definitely take the Packers weapons on offense over Minnesotas. For all the talk of Minnys "great" O-line, they couldn't run block worth shit and it was all on Favres shoulders at the end of the year. That o-line provided him with multiple ass kickings at the end of the year(Arizona, Chicago, New Orleans) off the top of my head.

Receivers.........are you kidding. The packers had and still have the best group of receivers in the league IMO. Jennings, Driver, Jones, Nelson and the two tight ends vs Harvin(rookie), Rice(nothing before Favre showed up), Berrian(overrated, one trick pony), Schianko(nothing before Favre showed up).

Grant vs Peterson I give you that but Peterson fumbled away games with his 7 fumbles while Grant stayed consistent and got good in the 2nd half of the year and fumbled once. Also, for all this talk, Grant had 4.4 yards per carry and 1253 yards vs Petersons 4.4 yards per carry and 1383 yards. Not a significant difference. 11 TD's vs 18 but that's more reflective of field position than anything else.

Stop trying to discount what Favre did by making stuff up about weapons. Only makes you look bitter.

"Gravedigga" wrote:

I agree with you that the receiving arsenal Rodgers has is superior to that of Favre. However, you can't also completely minimalize the Vikings receiving group. Visanthe Shiancoe wasn't nothing before Favre as he had 596 yards and 7 tds the year before Favre (as opposed to 566 and 11). Guys like Rice and Harvin are young and Favre certainly helped them out, but they also matured and got better on their own as well.

That said, I think over the course of the year, the offense around Rodgers and Favre probably weren't that far off one another. They had different strengths and weaknesses but on the whole the two are relatively even. Over the whole of last year Favre and Rodgers both played extremely well and you could make legitimate claims one way or another which one played better.

However, in the context of what Jamie Dukes has said, that Rodgers can't be better until he beats Favre, you can't say Rodgers had the better situation in those two games with the way his oline played. He was sacked 14 times in those two games. That was the difference. The Vikings dominated the line of scrimmage and Favre and co made us pay. Rodgers got beat to living hell and almost dug us out of holes in both games. I don't think you could flip the quaterbacks and get a different outcome. As you said Gravedigga, Favre got beat up in a couple of games the Vikings play. They lost those three games and Favre didn't play particularly well. Those couple games wouldn't be the right indicator for judging how good Favre was on the whole last year.

"G-Force" wrote:

Agreed, they are pretty much interchangeable at this point. I'll say that the Packers gameplan was flawed as far as protection goes. No excuse for 14 sacks in 2 games with NFL lineman. You can move the pocket, chip block, keep a tight end or fullback in.

I will say that the Saints loss was one of the gutsiest games i've ever seen Favre play. I thought for sure he was done when he was on the cart after taking the shot to his legs. They lost but really, last year was one of the most enjoyable football seasons I've watched ever. 2 great teams to root for, lots of exciting games, great performances, great finishes. Hopefully this year will be as good.

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go.pack.go.
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14 years ago

#33

Also as they say "you have to beat the man to be the man" but I would take Rodgers over Favre right now.

BTW Rock I thought they ruled the last play an INT because his arm was coming foward and not a fumble.

Rodgers did choke in OT noone can deny that, he missed a wide open Jennings that would have ended the game and then he had the int/fumble to end the game.

"dhazer" wrote:

Okay so because he missed a receiver down field, he choked? That's one play.

The other plays, he was doing good, until his OLine took a vacation *cough* Daryn Colledge *cough*.

PackerTraxx
Senior Member

14 years ago

#34

Favre is a great player. Rodgers has certainly shown he will probably be a great player. I'm glad we had and have both. Most people don't appreciate how extremely rare it is to have a great player suceed another great player at a position.

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DakotaT
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14 years ago

#35

Didn't Dukes claim that Tarvarais Jackson was going to have a better year than Rodgers two years ago? So much for what he thinks.

I got mad at Dukes one night when he said that Vick did not have the mental capacity to handle the questions being thrown at him when he was reinstated. I guarantee if a white commentator made those remarks, he would be unemployed the next day, in fact it has happened several times.

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