IronMan
14 years ago

I know people like to crack against the defense, but I still don't think they cost us a game last year.

"nerdmann" wrote:

The Pittsburgh game and the playoff game.

"IronMan" wrote:




The OFFENSE turned the ball over twice in the first three plays in the playoffs. In the Red Zone. Against the best Red Zone team in the league.
The OFFENSE also lost the game in overtime.
Not saying the defense couldn't be better. I just don't pin any of this season's losses on the defense. Unlike the previous season.

"nerdmann" wrote:


The offense also scored 36, and 45 points in those games. You're kidding right?
Zero2Cool
14 years ago
When your offense scores more than 20, you should win. If you don't, it's because of poor defense more times than not. In our case the Special Teams also contributed to our futility.

The early turnovers in the playoff game hurt us, they did not bury us. Our offense is what kept us IN the game and got us to overtime.
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Pack93z
14 years ago
Rankings or Power Polls or what ever the given author wants to title his ramblings.. they are all completely and utterly useless as any real point of reference.

All they accomplish is drive talk around the the given writer... don't mean to sound crass on a Tuesday morning.. but it is all bullshit. Apparently King needs his column talked about this week and wants a mailbox full of e-mails to drive his Tuesday edition.

Normally King strives for better than a springtime ranking of the NFL.. disappointed. BTW.. Williams is our second or at worst third CB on the roster.... and King you wonder why I give your rankings the heave.

I like his 10 things better than this type of garbage..
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14 years ago

good points zero... the pack haven't really proven much the last 2 years, additionally, Grant and the cbs make me nervous. However, there is no denying this team has a ton of potential, so hopefully they live up to that!

"dhazer" wrote:



I hate the word potential after all what is it? To me its just someones opinion on how good a person should be. Potential = opinion so we have alot of opinions lol

"musccy" wrote:



One of my favorite lines from my college coach: "Potential means you haven't done it yet."
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14 years ago

When your offense scores more than 20, you should win. If you don't, it's because of poor defense more times than not. In our case the Special Teams also contributed to our futility.

The early turnovers in the playoff game hurt us, they did not bury us. Our offense is what kept us IN the game and got us to overtime.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



I agree with you and ironman, if you put up 45, you should expect to win. The defense made some great strides last year, but were exposed and disected by top level quarterbacks towards the end of last year. That's not something to dismiss under the rug.
Stevetarded
14 years ago

I know people like to crack against the defense, but I still don't think they cost us a game last year.

"nerdmann" wrote:

The Pittsburgh game and the playoff game.

"IronMan" wrote:




The OFFENSE turned the ball over twice in the first three plays in the playoffs. In the Red Zone. Against the best Red Zone team in the league.
The OFFENSE also lost the game in overtime.
Not saying the defense couldn't be better. I just don't pin any of this season's losses on the defense. Unlike the previous season.

"nerdmann" wrote:



Vs Pittsburgh the defense gave up 537 yards, 23 first downs, and a game winning drive while time expired, the offense scored 36 points and there were no turnovers. It doesn't get any more on the defense than that.
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Pack93z
14 years ago
The Pittsburgh and Cardinal game exposed a weakness that the Packers have.. which simply is we can't play zone defense effectively enough to save our asses.

Which forced us to stay with our physical brand of coverage with a couple of greenhorns at CB... now throw in some piss poor communication on the field from the QB of the defense at safety and the lack of someone grabbing hold to the leadership reins in the crunch.

Watch the stacks and motion Pittsburgh and Arizona threw at us.. they had short routes all over the place wide open.. which made Capers drop some of his blitz packages in favor of trying to shore up the quick hitting routes..

All this did was minimize the weak ass pressure we already got from ineffective interior blitzing and made our pass rush very predictable and thus ineffective.. which in turn allowed the opposition to sit on the deeper routes and torched another weakness in half of our safety coverage..

Part of that whole breakdown was some effective game planning from the opposition.. but much of it started to snowball with the fact that Capers, IMO, didn't trust our zone coverage at all (don't blame him) and kind of knotted up the variation that Capers could adjust to..

How to improve that:

> Become more effective in Zone Coverage.

> Get more effective blitzing from the interior backers to open up the packages in the pressure aspect.. the only effective blitz from the interior backers was the cross stunt when he sent both of them crashing.. other than that.. they got zero effectiveness when he sent them.

In the 3-4 you have to be able to get pressure from all 4 linebackers for the scheme really to take off.. we didn't get that.

> We need better communication from safeties (the QB of the Defense) prior to the offensive snap.. read it properly and make adjustments accordingly.. then communicate them effectively.. not the monkey humping the football routine that we seen late last season.. embarrassing to watch that level of confusion.. backups or not. Collins and Bigby were there.. it should be cleaner than that.

> We need the down three to provide some pass rushing push.. I understand that Capers had them sitting run first than pass rush to protect our interior backers (can't get off a run block) but our down three have to been able to get a push to at the very least reduce the depth of the pocket.

> Be a bit luckier in the injury department so we can minimize the drop in the level of play in our depth and reduce the responsibility load upon Collins, who has proven that he is a hell of a safety in play but inside overly effective in making defensive adjustments upon the field.. or Bigby whom over the course of the last two seasons has difficulty just staying on the field. Hell he gave up in the Cardinals game.

> Matthews needs to evolve his game to the next level where he can dial up different combination to rush the passer.. the guy goes all out every play.. he just needs to add to his arsenal of pass rushing techniques than beating them around the corner. KGB lived on the speed rush alone for a couple of years.. if Clay wants to better that.. he needs to become a more complete pass rusher.

> We need Jones/Obi/Poppinga/UDFA bloomer to become a more consistently effective pass rusher from that side.. personally I hold little hope for Poppinga.. but I have great hope and excitement for the other two.

> And lastly.. Dom has to trust his zone calls earlier in this year, year two of deployment of his defense so that we can dial up those calls when the opposing offenses game plan effectively for our pressure bump style of play with space and motion. I understand that zone isn't our strong suit, our guys are physical bump type players.. but we have to be able to at least be effective in zone when we have no choice but to drop into them.

There.. Pack93's thoughts upon the 2010 defensive remedies.. peck away. 😉
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zombieslayer
14 years ago

When your offense scores more than 20, you should win.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



I had to look up recent SB history, just out of curiosity.

From 1998 to 2009, SB winner could have won the game by scoring 20 points 8 times. You have to go all the way back to 1978 (before kids like you were even born) to find a team who lost the SB who scored 30 points.

It's pretty safe to say that if your O scored 24 points, you should win the game. If you lose, the D is to blame.
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Formo
14 years ago

I don't like these rankings. It's nice that he's trying to do something different, but I just can't see it playing out like this at this point.

Minnesota at 13 is crazy. Even without Favre I think that they're better than that. They could get to the play-offs on their running game and defense, alone. Although he does make a good point about the O-line.

Seattle at 11? Even if this is a play-off simulation, rather than a power ranking, I'd go with the 49ers.

What have the Giants done to improve, all of a sudden? I'd take both Dallas and Philly over them right now.

Carolina at 8 seems like a stretch with that awful D-line. Without Peppers, their defense gets even more mediocre than it already was. I bet you can't name one playmaker on that defense.

Miami at 6 is a stretch. Henne hasn't done enough to show that he'll, somehow, become an elite QB all of a sudden. Both of their starting DE/OLBs from last year are gone and Koa Misi isn't going to be a force (in his first year).

And lastly, Green Bay at 1 is pretty crazy right now. The article itsself says it already, we don't have anyone opposite of Matthews, who's a little overrated, anyway. I hope that Brad Jones has bulked up and will show something, but I doubt that very much. The O-line still isn't great. Clifton will be on the ground at some points during the season and Bulaga will have to step in, who's a big unknown and is, I think, still more of a RT, anyway.

We'll see how it plays out, though. There's a few surprises every year and he's bound to have some right.

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Good post. I'd have GB up there. Get that weird defense shored up and you guys are easily a scary team.

Minnesota's Oline was mediocre at best last season. But, in their defense, there was 2 new starters that year, too. Sullivan and Loadholt. Of all the individual groups on a football team, none is more effected by chemistry than the lines.. Especially offensive lines. I'm not saying Minny's oline is going to be better this year, but I think it's fair to expect it to be better. Bottom line (see what I did thar?), if that group of linemen get their issues shored up, Minnesota's running game could be vastly improved, even without Chester Taylor and with a rookie 3rd down back.
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14 years ago
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/05/18/mailbag/index.html 
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