Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago

Obama orders assassination of US citizen 
8 April 2010

For the first time in history, an American president has officially ordered the assassination of a US citizen.

President Barack Obama has approved the targeted killing of Anwar al-Awlaki, a US-born Muslim cleric who is reported to be in hiding in Yemen. No substantial evidence has been brought to bear against Awlaki, 38, who is accused of terrorism, and he will be afforded no legal recourse against the death sentence.

Word of Obamas decision has been intentionally leaked by multiple intelligence officials to various media sources. Reuters and the Wall Street Journal published news articles on the story on Tuesday, and these were confirmed by stories in the Washington Post and New York Times on Wednesday.

The killing of citizens declared by the executive branch to be terrorists was first announced as state policy by Obamas director of national intelligence, Dennis C. Blair, in February congressional hearings. We take direct actions against terrorists in the intelligence community, Blair said. If we think that direct action will involve killing an American, we get specific permission to do that.

Awlaki, who was born in New Mexico, has been linked by e-mail communication to Nidal Malik Hasan, the army psychologist who gunned down 13 soldiers in a November rampage at Ford Hood, Texas. No evidence has been presented, however, to suggest that Awlaki in any way planned or ordered the attack.

There have also been allegations, so far entirely unsubstantiated, linking Awlaki to Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the Nigerian youth who attempted to blow up an airplane as it approached Detroit on December 25, 2009. The failed attack was, in fact, made possible by the stand-down of the US intelligence apparatusor its direct complicity.

Awlakis family have defended him. I am now afraid of what they will do with my son, hes not Osama Bin Laden, they want to make something out of him that hes not, said his father, Dr. Nasser al-Awlaki, a US-trained scientist, in a January interview with CNN. How can the American government kill one of their own citizens? This is a legal issue that needs to be answered.

The public justification for killing Awlaki is based on bald assertions and hearsay from intelligence sources who refuse to even identify themselves. Typical is the following account from the New York Times: American counterterrorism officials say Mr. Awlaki is an operative of Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula They say they believe that he has become a recruiter for the terrorist network, feeding prospects into plots aimed at the United States and at Americans abroad, the officials said.

The decision to kill Awlaki takes Washingtons lawlessness to a new level. The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) drone assassination program has killed between 400 and 500 militants, the vast majority in countries with which the US is not officially at war. The Bush and Obama administrations have declared the right to attack or invade countries Washington deems to be threats to US interests, and have institutionalized a worldwide regime of kidnappings and indefinite imprisonment without trial in the so-called war on terror.

But while Washington has long flouted the laws of war, there is no precedent for a president openly ordering the assassination of a US citizen he declares to be an enemy.

This is, however, a further extension of the claim asserted by Bush and continued by Obama that the president has the power to declare individuals, citizens as well as non-citizens, to be illegal enemy combatants and held indefinitely in military detention without being charged or given access to the courts. The Obama administration is moving to institutionalize the policy of indefinite detention by setting up a military prison in Illinois, so-called Guantnamo North, where scores of Guantnamo detainees will be held indefinitely without trial.

The Obama administration justifies the policy of targeting US citizens for murder by citing the September 14, 2001 congressional act, the Authorization to Use Military Force. Passed three days after the September 11 attacks, the measure allowed the US president, from that moment forth, to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.

Out of 531 senators and congressmen casting votes, only one opposed this sweeping measure that is now being invoked by Obama to kill a US citizen without charge or trial.

The Obama White House is evidently seeking a new pseudo-legal justification for the policy of state murder. Officials now argue privately that Americans who side with the countrys enemies are not ultimately entitled to special protections, the British Telegraph reported. The special protections to be discarded are none other than the liberties guaranteed by the Bill of Rights, which the Founding Fathers installed precisely to provide the citizenry protection from the state.

There has been no evidence that suggests Awlaki represents any immediate threat to the US people. On the contrary, his killing will only provide new fodder for terrorist groups. The administrations decision to kill Awlaki is largely motivated by the desire to establish a new precedent.

The implications are chilling. In principle, there is nothing in such a policy to stop intelligence officials from declaring political opponents of US imperialism within the 50 states to be terrorists and put on a list for liquidation. Neither Blairs initial testimony nor subsequent media accounts have spelled out any limitations to the policy of assassinating US citizens beyond assurances that the measure is to be used only against terrorists.

The executive branch arrogates to itself the powers of judge, jury, and executioner, and those targeted for liquidation have no right to question the supposed evidence against them.


There is a deeper logic behind the order to kill Awlaki. Under conditions of economic crisis, the methods of imperialist violence abroad must inevitably be visited upon the population at home. The turn toward war and increasingly dictatorial forms of rule both rise inexorably from the deepening crisis of US and world capitalism.


There has been no opposition within establishment political quarters to Obamas order. The New York Times article on the decision reads as a legal brief defending it.As a general principle, international law permits the use of lethal force against individuals and groups that pose an imminent threat to a country, the leading organ of US liberalism writes. People on the target list are considered to be military enemies of the United States and therefore not subject to the ban on political assassination first approved by President Gerald R. Ford.

This underscores the fact that no section of the political establishment retains any serious commitment to the defense of democratic rights. Only through the independent political mobilization of the working class against both parties of US capitalism and the corporate-financial oligarchy which they represent can democratic rights be defended.

Tom Eley


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Formo
14 years ago
Interesting.. I haven't read the entire article yet because I don't have time, but I will do so tonight and comment on it.
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Pack93z
14 years ago
Wow... good bye due process I guess.

Honestly.. while this has probably happened before in history.. it surely hasn't been publicly admitted or openly broadcast the information.

Still.. I think this is the incorrect steps to take, regardless of the governments claims. Arrest him and afford him his rights.. or at the very least try.
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zombieslayer
14 years ago
Ron Paul's response:

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Pack93z
14 years ago
This is a continuation of the slippery slope that allowed the feds to tap any and all communications they felt fit.. now to judging without a trial of his peers..

Scary times we live in within our own country.
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nathaniel
14 years ago
This has been going on for years, it's just never been made public knowledge. I'm not going to condone anything, but I don't understand what the guy being an American citizen has to do with it. If the guy was on a battlefield with a gun firing at our guys, would they not shoot at him because he's an American citizen? I know it sounds like I'm okay with this...I'm really not at all. Just confused about the reasoning.
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Porforis
14 years ago

This has been going on for years, it's just never been made public knowledge. I'm not going to condone anything, but I don't understand what the guy being an American citizen has to do with it. If the guy was on a battlefield with a gun firing at our guys, would they not shoot at him because he's an American citizen? I know it sounds like I'm okay with this...I'm really not at all. Just confused about the reasoning.

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If he's on a battlefield shooting at our troops, he's actively trying to kill us and it's kind of obvious that he's guilty, and an immediate threat.

Sitting in a house in Yemen is a bit different. He's not an immediate threat. It's like the difference between shooting someone that's in your house, and shooting someone wearing black and a skimask, and a baseball bat that's walking down your sidewalk.
dfosterf
14 years ago
Smoke check him 

If even this Marxist (imo) wants him offed, I definitely want the dude (in question) adios'd.

Slippery-slope-wise, I reckon I'm gonna wait until folks like Limbaugh, Beck and Hannity are taken out before I get especially antsy about how [strike]your[/strike] this prez rolls...even some of [strike]you [/strike] the GD/PC pinkos will at least see the value of those three as political coal mine canaries in that event. :pottytrain2: :tongue3:
Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
Thanks for giving me a good laugh by insinuating I'm PC.
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dfosterf
14 years ago

Thanks for giving me a good laugh by insinuating I'm PC.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



At least I got a rise out of ya. In a (n) (un) related development, [strike]Shit happens?[/strike] 

Ok, that's totally wrong. I don't mean it. They do seem stuck on that transliteration of your (Non's) word.
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