IronMan
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15 years ago
Wow.  

Updated at 5:15 with details from police

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Cleveland Browns defensive tackle Shaun Rogers was just arrested at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport.

Police say he had a loaded gun and was trying to board a plane with it.

The Browns released the following statement from President Mike Holmgren:

"We are aware of what transpired with Shaun Rogers. We will continue to gather additional information, and until the legal process has taken its course, we will reserve any further comment."

According to the Cleveland Police, Rogers was arrested at 12:15 p.m. while having his baggage inspected on Concourse C. A loaded 45 caliber handgun was found in his carry-on luggage and he was placed under arrest without incident.

No charges have been filed. It is a third-degree felony.

Rogers recorded 4.5 sacks and 76 tackles last season.

Formo
15 years ago
Whoops. That sucks. You'd think he'd know better.. But since I don't know the details, I'm not going to rip on the guy.

Two incidents happened to me at the airport, post-9-11. First was a trip my uncle and I were making to Phoenix, AZ. There was a Swiss-Army knife and a crescent wrench in the bottom of my bag. Both were underneath the bottom liner, I had NO clue they were in there. But the airport security didn't like that I had them in there. I told them they could throw both away, as I had NO clue they were there, and obviously since I haven't used either one of them in over 6 months that I didn't need them. Finally, they let me go. Same thing happened to my step-father on our way to Mexico. He had his pocket knife in his pocket (never left home without a knife), completely spaced about the security until they had a fit about it. We convinced him to let them take it by telling him we'd get him a new one when we got back from Mexico.

It's doubtful, but it's very possible that he forgot about the gun and/or some other weird reason.
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Zero2Cool
15 years ago
President Holmgren uses different wording than Coach Holmgren.
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IronMan
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15 years ago

It's doubtful, but it's very possible that he forgot about the gun and/or some other weird reason.

"Formo" wrote:


So if thats the case, he had a loaded gun, and he forgot that it was in his bag. His CARRY ON BAG FOR FUCK'S SAKE. How in the hell does someone have a loaded gun and not know where it is at all times? Holy shit thats stupid.
Wade
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15 years ago
Well, not that I'm siding with Rogers -- who seems a pinhead of the first order ...

but if you believe that you need to conceal-carry, why would you ever carry a non-loaded gun in a bag?

But he is still a pinhead. I mean, this is not a first time traveller here. It's been a long time -- like Rogers' entire lifetime -- that people have been unable to carry guns on airplanes.

The banning of Swiss army knives and the like -- that's relatively new, a consequence of our post-9/11 paranoia. And unlike a loaded .45, there's many many reasons people might want to carry a swiss army knife without burying it in one's checked luggage. To my mind a TSA employee that goes nutso about a Swiss army knife that the passenger is willing to give up is (a) on a power trip, (b) humorless, (c) a moronic pinhead with no sense of proportion, or some combination of the three.

But taking a loaded gun on....sorry, that's uber-pinheadedness. I can't believe I'm doing this, but on this one I'd side with the TSA person. Because if I discover this really big guy is packing a loaded weapon, I"m thinking, "he's either borderline crazy or the world's stupidest terrorist," neither of whom should be armed in a closed space.
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dfosterf
15 years ago
He might have forgot he had a loaded pistol, but I'm willing to bet he remembers April fool's day from now on.
doddpower
15 years ago
A .45 cal is no joke. Most aren't even appropriate for concealed carry due to their large size. I can't imagine how one could ever forget that was in his or her carry on bag. I ALWAYS know where my guns are and I certainly always thoroughly check my luggage before I start packing.

Wow.
Formo
15 years ago

It's doubtful, but it's very possible that he forgot about the gun and/or some other weird reason.

"IronMan" wrote:


So if thats the case, he had a loaded gun, and he forgot that it was in his bag. His CARRY ON BAG FOR FUCK'S SAKE. How in the hell does someone have a loaded gun and not know where it is at all times? Holy shit thats stupid.

"Formo" wrote:



What Wade said.. and it's not that far out of the realm of possibilities. That was my point. People can be forgetful at times, even with important details.
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15 years ago

It's doubtful, but it's very possible that he forgot about the gun and/or some other weird reason.

"Formo" wrote:


So if thats the case, he had a loaded gun, and he forgot that it was in his bag. His CARRY ON BAG FOR FUCK'S SAKE. How in the hell does someone have a loaded gun and not know where it is at all times? Holy shit thats stupid.

"IronMan" wrote:



What Wade said.. and it's not that far out of the realm of possibilities. That was my point. People can be forgetful at times, even with important details.

"Formo" wrote:



Hmmm... you sit in most security lines for 10 to 15 minutes at least prior to getting up to the table.. all the while they have signs plastered everywhere about what can and cannot be taken aboard.

Then you get to table, and they specifically request that you pull out certain items.. someplace in this process, a normal human will be playing a inventory listing of what is in the carry on bag in their mind..

You would have to believe someplace in that process the thought that you are carrying a gun in the bag is going to pop into your head.

The other question that begs to be asked.. if he forgot that he had it in there, what possible good would it do for him to have it in there in the first place.. if he got into a situation of need for the weapon.. his ass won't know where it was in the first place.

Either it was entitlement nonsense or extreme laziness not to have his carry on squared away before getting to the airport. You probably have had the flight scheduled for days.. planing your luggage would be a logical step in the process.
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Formo
15 years ago

It's doubtful, but it's very possible that he forgot about the gun and/or some other weird reason.

"pack93z" wrote:


So if thats the case, he had a loaded gun, and he forgot that it was in his bag. His CARRY ON BAG FOR FUCK'S SAKE. How in the hell does someone have a loaded gun and not know where it is at all times? Holy shit thats stupid.

"Formo" wrote:



What Wade said.. and it's not that far out of the realm of possibilities. That was my point. People can be forgetful at times, even with important details.

"IronMan" wrote:



Hmmm... you sit in most security lines for 10 to 15 minutes at least prior to getting up to the table.. all the while they have signs plaster everywhere about what can and cannot be taken aboard.

Then you get to table, and they specifically request that you pull out certain items.. someplace in this process, a normal human will be playing a inventory listing of what is in the carry on bag in their mind..

You would have to believe someplace in that process the thought that you are carrying a gun in the bag is going to pop into your head.

The other question that begs to be asked.. if he forgot that he had it in there, what possible good would it do for him to have it in there in the first place.. if he got into a situation of need for the weapon.. his ass won't know where it was in the first place.

Either it was entitlement nonsense or extreme laziness not to have his carry on squared away before getting to the airport. You probably have had the flight scheduled for days.. planing your luggage would be a logical step in the process.

"Formo" wrote:



Believe it or not, there are people out there that don't prepare for a trip like you do.

Me? I tend to throw shit in a bag. Not saying this is or isn't the case, but it is, again.. Plausible.

I know it's hard for many motivatedly organized people to understand, but not everyone thinks like them. Not everyone has their collective shit filed in their heads like them.

There's also a chance he didn't even pack his own bag.

There are so many variables that could be in play.. I'm not even remotely concerned about what he was doing with his gun. I didn't read any article, the only thing I personally wonder is if the gun was registered to him. If so, then IMO, this is a non-story.
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