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Wow.  

Updated at 5:15 with details from police

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Cleveland Browns defensive tackle Shaun Rogers was just arrested at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport.

Police say he had a loaded gun and was trying to board a plane with it.

The Browns released the following statement from President Mike Holmgren:

"We are aware of what transpired with Shaun Rogers. We will continue to gather additional information, and until the legal process has taken its course, we will reserve any further comment."

According to the Cleveland Police, Rogers was arrested at 12:15 p.m. while having his baggage inspected on Concourse C. A loaded 45 caliber handgun was found in his carry-on luggage and he was placed under arrest without incident.

No charges have been filed. It is a third-degree felony.

Rogers recorded 4.5 sacks and 76 tackles last season.

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Whoops. That sucks. You'd think he'd know better.. But since I don't know the details, I'm not going to rip on the guy.

Two incidents happened to me at the airport, post-9-11. First was a trip my uncle and I were making to Phoenix, AZ. There was a Swiss-Army knife and a crescent wrench in the bottom of my bag. Both were underneath the bottom liner, I had NO clue they were in there. But the airport security didn't like that I had them in there. I told them they could throw both away, as I had NO clue they were there, and obviously since I haven't used either one of them in over 6 months that I didn't need them. Finally, they let me go. Same thing happened to my step-father on our way to Mexico. He had his pocket knife in his pocket (never left home without a knife), completely spaced about the security until they had a fit about it. We convinced him to let them take it by telling him we'd get him a new one when we got back from Mexico.

It's doubtful, but it's very possible that he forgot about the gun and/or some other weird reason.
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President Holmgren uses different wording than Coach Holmgren.
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It's doubtful, but it's very possible that he forgot about the gun and/or some other weird reason.

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So if thats the case, he had a loaded gun, and he forgot that it was in his bag. His CARRY ON BAG FOR FUCK'S SAKE. How in the hell does someone have a loaded gun and not know where it is at all times? Holy shit thats stupid.
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Well, not that I'm siding with Rogers -- who seems a pinhead of the first order ...

but if you believe that you need to conceal-carry, why would you ever carry a non-loaded gun in a bag?

But he is still a pinhead. I mean, this is not a first time traveller here. It's been a long time -- like Rogers' entire lifetime -- that people have been unable to carry guns on airplanes.

The banning of Swiss army knives and the like -- that's relatively new, a consequence of our post-9/11 paranoia. And unlike a loaded .45, there's many many reasons people might want to carry a swiss army knife without burying it in one's checked luggage. To my mind a TSA employee that goes nutso about a Swiss army knife that the passenger is willing to give up is (a) on a power trip, (b) humorless, (c) a moronic pinhead with no sense of proportion, or some combination of the three.

But taking a loaded gun on....sorry, that's uber-pinheadedness. I can't believe I'm doing this, but on this one I'd side with the TSA person. Because if I discover this really big guy is packing a loaded weapon, I"m thinking, "he's either borderline crazy or the world's stupidest terrorist," neither of whom should be armed in a closed space.
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He might have forgot he had a loaded pistol, but I'm willing to bet he remembers April fool's day from now on.
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A .45 cal is no joke. Most aren't even appropriate for concealed carry due to their large size. I can't imagine how one could ever forget that was in his or her carry on bag. I ALWAYS know where my guns are and I certainly always thoroughly check my luggage before I start packing.

Wow.
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It's doubtful, but it's very possible that he forgot about the gun and/or some other weird reason.

"IronMan" wrote:


So if thats the case, he had a loaded gun, and he forgot that it was in his bag. His CARRY ON BAG FOR FUCK'S SAKE. How in the hell does someone have a loaded gun and not know where it is at all times? Holy shit thats stupid.

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What Wade said.. and it's not that far out of the realm of possibilities. That was my point. People can be forgetful at times, even with important details.
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It's doubtful, but it's very possible that he forgot about the gun and/or some other weird reason.

"Formo" wrote:


So if thats the case, he had a loaded gun, and he forgot that it was in his bag. His CARRY ON BAG FOR FUCK'S SAKE. How in the hell does someone have a loaded gun and not know where it is at all times? Holy shit thats stupid.

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What Wade said.. and it's not that far out of the realm of possibilities. That was my point. People can be forgetful at times, even with important details.

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Hmmm... you sit in most security lines for 10 to 15 minutes at least prior to getting up to the table.. all the while they have signs plastered everywhere about what can and cannot be taken aboard.

Then you get to table, and they specifically request that you pull out certain items.. someplace in this process, a normal human will be playing a inventory listing of what is in the carry on bag in their mind..

You would have to believe someplace in that process the thought that you are carrying a gun in the bag is going to pop into your head.

The other question that begs to be asked.. if he forgot that he had it in there, what possible good would it do for him to have it in there in the first place.. if he got into a situation of need for the weapon.. his ass won't know where it was in the first place.

Either it was entitlement nonsense or extreme laziness not to have his carry on squared away before getting to the airport. You probably have had the flight scheduled for days.. planing your luggage would be a logical step in the process.
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It's doubtful, but it's very possible that he forgot about the gun and/or some other weird reason.

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So if thats the case, he had a loaded gun, and he forgot that it was in his bag. His CARRY ON BAG FOR FUCK'S SAKE. How in the hell does someone have a loaded gun and not know where it is at all times? Holy shit thats stupid.

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What Wade said.. and it's not that far out of the realm of possibilities. That was my point. People can be forgetful at times, even with important details.

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Hmmm... you sit in most security lines for 10 to 15 minutes at least prior to getting up to the table.. all the while they have signs plaster everywhere about what can and cannot be taken aboard.

Then you get to table, and they specifically request that you pull out certain items.. someplace in this process, a normal human will be playing a inventory listing of what is in the carry on bag in their mind..

You would have to believe someplace in that process the thought that you are carrying a gun in the bag is going to pop into your head.

The other question that begs to be asked.. if he forgot that he had it in there, what possible good would it do for him to have it in there in the first place.. if he got into a situation of need for the weapon.. his ass won't know where it was in the first place.

Either it was entitlement nonsense or extreme laziness not to have his carry on squared away before getting to the airport. You probably have had the flight scheduled for days.. planing your luggage would be a logical step in the process.

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Believe it or not, there are people out there that don't prepare for a trip like you do.

Me? I tend to throw shit in a bag. Not saying this is or isn't the case, but it is, again.. Plausible.

I know it's hard for many motivatedly organized people to understand, but not everyone thinks like them. Not everyone has their collective shit filed in their heads like them.

There's also a chance he didn't even pack his own bag.

There are so many variables that could be in play.. I'm not even remotely concerned about what he was doing with his gun. I didn't read any article, the only thing I personally wonder is if the gun was registered to him. If so, then IMO, this is a non-story.
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LOL... alright it is plausible.. might not be logical to me, but it could be plausible.

Now.. is it legal? lol.
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Also.. if he hired someone to pack his bag for a flight.. they should be fired. lol.

How in the world do you miss the fact that there is a gun in the bag.

Talk about making an excuse for personal responsibility as well.. we are talking about the safety of the other passengers and their right to a safe environment. Shaun Rodgers failed... and now he sits in jail.
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PFT- Shaun Rodgers still in jail 

Shaun Rogers is still in jail
Posted by Mike Florio on April 2, 2010 12:02 PM ET
Arrested Thursday for possession of a loaded gun as he prepared to build board an airplane, Browns defensive tackle Shaun Rogers remains in jail.

According to the Associated Press, Rogers has asked either to be charged or to be released from custody.

Rogers' lawyer fears that the player will be held without charges over the Easter weekend. And, presumably, Rogers really needs his basket full of Peeps.




In the comments:

"Maybe the police forgot he's still there."


I don't care who you are (except Rogers)--That is funny.
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LOL... alright it is plausible.. might not be logical to me, but it could be plausible.

Now.. is it legal? lol.

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Definitely not, as far as I'm aware. I don't think it's that big of a deal, though.

Also.. if he hired someone to pack his bag for a flight.. they should be fired. lol.

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Oh yeah.. That's guaranteed in my book.

How in the world do you miss the fact that there is a gun in the bag.

Talk about making an excuse for personal responsibility as well.. we are talking about the safety of the other passengers and their right to a safe environment. Shaun Rodgers failed... and now he sits in jail.

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Eh, I don't think it goes that far. All you have to do is walk into the stewardesses area and take a pot of scalding coffee/water, and you can be almost as dangerous. The safety of other passengers and their right to that safe environment is in the hands of the collective passengers. Besides, I think we are forgetting an important detail.. There were only 6 rounds in that gun. Not the best gun to take over a plane with. So even if he brought it to be used on the plane (which is what every article I've seen made to look like), after the gun starts clicking because it's empty.. Then what? Mr. Air Marshal guy probably has his ass down before he got a 2nd shot off, anyway.

I dunno. Despite his obvious lack of responsibility, I'm not ready to crucify him over something like this.

Like I said, the bigger issue to me is, is he licensed to be carrying that gun.
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Jeremy--

If he had a cwp, he should be a friggin' EXPERT on the right and wrong. As far as I am concerned, if he did have a cwp, it make his stupidity and carelessness MORE of a crime, not less.

I am not putting this in the category of some heinous crime, btw--just heinous stupidity. He should still be punished.

A weapon should be taken seriously. Always--by everyone that comes near one.
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Formo has really derailed on this one. Shaun Rogers could have accidently left his gun in an elementary school restroom, and he would be saying, "Eh, not that big of a deal. It happens. The gun was registered. Leave him alone! "

There is nothing wrong with defending someones right to carry. But Formo does so to the point of being irrational.
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Eh, I don't think it goes that far. All you have to do is walk into the stewardesses area and take a pot of scalding coffee/water, and you can be almost as dangerous. The safety of other passengers and their right to that safe environment is in the hands of the collective passengers. Besides, I think we are forgetting an important detail.. There were only 6 rounds in that gun. Not the best gun to take over a plane with. So even if he brought it to be used on the plane (which is what every article I've seen made to look like), after the gun starts clicking because it's empty.. Then what? Mr. Air Marshal guy probably has his ass down before he got a 2nd shot off, anyway.

I dunno. Despite his obvious lack of responsibility, I'm not ready to crucify him over something like this.

Like I said, the bigger issue to me is, is he licensed to be carrying that gun.

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So a "loaded" gun in a pressurized cabin with what a 100 to 200 people, what happens the gun accidentally goes off? Did he forget to put it on safety as well.

I am not trying to claim him a terrorist or whack job... but incredibly irresponsible and more than likely too damn lazy to check is carry on prior to flight.

It is a felony and he has been charged.. as he should. Regardless the reason the gun was in the bag.
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Formo has really derailed on this one. Shaun Rogers could have accidently left his gun in an elementary school restroom, and he would be saying, "Eh, not that big of a deal. It happens. The gun was registered. Leave him alone! "

There is nothing wrong with defending someones right to carry. But Formo does so to the point of being irrational.

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lol

No 3rd grader has access (or should have access) to Rogers' carry on. Moot point. I'm just bringing in the other perspective. Like I said in response to 93z, he's being crucified for something that didn't hurt a soul and for something no one can prove the intentions of. We all know he jacked up. He shouldn't be crucified because of the minor infraction, IMO.


A weapon should be taken seriously. Always--by everyone that comes near one.

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I agree.. Now, define weapon? A metal spoon when used with the right force and intentions could be dangerous. I'm not saying that we shouldn't take guns seriously.



Eh, I don't think it goes that far. All you have to do is walk into the stewardesses area and take a pot of scalding coffee/water, and you can be almost as dangerous. The safety of other passengers and their right to that safe environment is in the hands of the collective passengers. Besides, I think we are forgetting an important detail.. There were only 6 rounds in that gun. Not the best gun to take over a plane with. So even if he brought it to be used on the plane (which is what every article I've seen made to look like), after the gun starts clicking because it's empty.. Then what? Mr. Air Marshal guy probably has his ass down before he got a 2nd shot off, anyway.

I dunno. Despite his obvious lack of responsibility, I'm not ready to crucify him over something like this.

Like I said, the bigger issue to me is, is he licensed to be carrying that gun.

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So a "loaded" gun in a pressurized cabin with what a 100 to 200 people, what happens the gun accidentally goes off? Did he forget to put it on safety as well.

I am not trying to claim him a terrorist or whack job... but incredibly irresponsible and more than likely too damn lazy to check is carry on prior to flight.

It is a felony and he has been charged.. as he should. Regardless the reason the gun was in the bag.

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I'm not saying he wasn't irresponsible. I'm saying he shouldn't be crucified because of it. Everyone is acting like he attempted to take it on the plane with him for a purpose. I'm simply saying that I don't believe that and I refuse to overreact due to his stupidity (or whatever the reason/case may be).
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I'm not saying he wasn't irresponsible. I'm saying he shouldn't be crucified because of it. Everyone is acting like he attempted to take it on the plane with him for a purpose. I'm simply saying that I don't believe that and I refuse to overreact due to his stupidity (or whatever the reason/case may be).

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See... we are closer to sharing the same opinion that not.. and you thought we never agree.. lol.

I don't think he should be viewed as some whack job.. a lazy irresponsible over glorified space eater yes... but loose nut no.

But I refuse to accept his behavior because he was too freaking lazy to inspect his carry on. With the size restrictions these days.. what would it take... a few minutes?
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Pack93z, the gun was registered; therefore it doesn't matter how irresponsible he was. Leave the guy alone! (Sarcasm)
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