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Green Bay Packers To Pick an Offensive Tackle No. 1? Stats Say DON'T!
 

by Jersey Al Bracco

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Written on February 26, 2010

[img_r]http://cdn.bleacherreport.com/images_root/images/photos/000/828/190/ChadClifton_feature.jpg?1267202261[/img_r]Its as close to fact as you can get. The Green Bay Packers No. 1 item on their things we need list is a left tackle to protect their franchise quarterback for years to come. Is there anyone out there that can truthfully dispute that statement? Anyone?

Sure, a bookend OLB to pair with Clay Matthews and some DB help (CB, S, ANYTHING!) would be great. A real punter would be great. Those are all things I want to see happen, as well.

However, with often-injured unrestricted free agent Chad Clifton on a downward career slope, the all-important left tackle position must be addressed now. With any luck, the Packers will be able to bring Clifton back for at least one more year and draft a potential LT of the future.

The question is, will they be able to get that player at pick No. 23 in the first round and should they even try? Stay with me, Ill explain what I mean.

Thanks to the friend-making machine known as Facebook, a Packer fan named Andy Tisdel alerted me to a blog post he had written. Andy had done some great research, identifying all of the starting left tackles in the NFL in 2009 and noting what round they were drafted in.

While you can read the post to get the full details, the end result was predictably that just over 50 percent of the starting left tackles in the NFL in 2009 were drafted in the first round.

So the Packers should draft an offensive tackle first, right? Not so fast. I had a feeling that if we dug a little deeper into the numbers, we might get a different answer.

Lets take a quick look at the players in question and where they were drafted:



AFC

Colts: Charlie Johnson (sixth)
Titans: Michael Roos (second) Pro Bowler
Texans: Duane Brown (first, No. 26)
Jaguars: Eugene Monroe (first, No. 8 )
Steelers: Max Starks (third)
Browns: Joe Thomas (first, No. 3) Pro Bowler
Ravens: Jared Gaither (fifth)
Bengals: Andrew Whitworth (second)
Jets: DBrickashaw Ferguson (first, No. 4) Pro Bowler
Patriots: Sebastian Vollmer (second) [Starter on IR: Matt Light, (second), Pro Bowler]
Dolphins: Jake Long (first, No. 1) Pro Bowler
Bills: Jonathan Scott (fifth)
Chargers: Marcus McNeill (second)
Raiders: Mario Henderson (third)
Chiefs: Branden Albert (first, No. 15)
Broncos: Ryan Clady (first, No. 12) Pro Bowler



NFC

Bears: Orlando Pace (first, No. 1) Pro Bowler
Packers: Chad Clifton (second)
Lions: Jeff Backus (first, No. 18)
Vikings: Bryant McKinnie (first, No. 7) Pro Bowler
49ers: Joe Staley (first, No. 28)
Cardinals: Jeremy Bridges (sixth)
Rams: Alex Barron (first, No. 19)
Seahawks: Sean Locklear (third) [Starter on IR: Walter Jones, (first, No. 6), Pro Bowler]
Cowboys: Flozell Adams (second) Pro Bowler
Eagles: Jason Peters (undrafted) Pro Bowler
Redskins: Levi Jones (first) [Starter on IR: Chris Samuels, (first, No. 3), Pro Bowler]
Giants: David Diehl (fifth) Pro Bowler
Saints: Jermon Bushrod (fourth) [Starter on IR: Jammal Brown, (first, No. 13), Pro Bowler]
Buccaneers: Donald Penn (undrafted)
Panthers: Jeff Otah (first) [Starter on IR: Jordan Gross, (first, No. 😎, Pro Bowler]
Falcons: Sam Baker (first, No. 21)

Using the starters that were on IR rather than their replacements, the results tabulate as follows:



Round Drafted

first round: 17
second: 5
third: 2
fourth: 1
fifth: 3
sixth: 2
seventh: 0

Undrafted/supplemental: 2

TOTAL=32

Out of the 17 first round picks, 15 were selected 21st or higher. Only 12 percent of those first round tackles were drafted in the range where the Packers will be selecting.


Now lets look at only the best of those left tackles; those that have made the Pro Bowl:



Round Drafted

first round: 11
second: 3
third: 0
fourth: 0
fifth: 1
sixth: 0
seventh: 0
Undrafted/supplemental: 1

Total=16

Eleven out of 16 (70 percent) of Pro Bowl left tackles were drafted in the first round. And even more significantly, eight of those 11 (73 percent) were top-10 picks. Of the other three, none were selected below No. 13.


Executive Summary

(for those of you whose heads are swimming right now)

Only two current starting left tackles were selected in the first round range where the Packers will be picking. More starting left tackles were selected in the later rounds and more Pro Bowl tackles were selected in the second round.

Statistically its a small sample size (your mileage may vary and past performance is not a guarantee of future results). But based on these figures, the chances of the Packers selecting a starting left tackle at the No. 23 pick is 12 percent. The chances of them selecting a future Pro Bowler is zero percent.

Yes, not one of the Pro Bowl tackles above selected in the first round went later than No. 13. Ironically, according to these numbers, they have a much better chance of finding a Pro Bowl tackle in the second round.

Sooooooooooooo, do the Packers still select an OT at No. 23 in the first round? What do YOU think?


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dfosterf
15 years ago
What do I think, the author asks...

I think he should change the title of the article to, "My very limited cherry-picked, totally irrelevant statistics say don't."

The stats don't say don't.

The stats don't say anything, especially this set of them, other than the author was looking for something to talk about and his wife ought to snag his calculator and spreadsheet software while he is consuming adult beverages. :tongue3:
Wade
  • Wade
  • Veteran Member
15 years ago
I think the author needs to take Statistics 1 over.

No, scratch that. Most Stats 1 classes suck. He probably got an A the first time through.

Sample size is a red herring.

The real problem in two words: Identification problem.

Or, as someone once put it to me: If your model sucks, it doesn't matter how much data you have.
And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)
wpr
  • wpr
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15 years ago
Stupid story. Why not just squeeze the sample group down to players selected between the 23 and 25?

Let me see if I got this right- LT's who were selected in the top ten spots have made more Pro Bowls than players selected in the bottom third of the first round.
Wow. I better write this down so I don't forget it.

It would mean more if he also looked at OLB, CB and S too. But my guess is that the numbers would be similar.

Someone should tell Teddy to pass on his first round selection. It ain't no good. I wonder if he holds on to it until the 2nd round if it becomes any better?
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beast (13h) : A probably false rumor is suggesting CB Jaire Alexander is being traded to the Ravens, again probably false
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Mucky Tundra (16h) : Er getting traded twice like that
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Martha Careful (11-Mar) : 49ers releasing FB Juszcyk any interest?
Zero2Cool (11-Mar) : digits of four
Zero2Cool (11-Mar) : four digits
Zero2Cool (10-Mar) : Eh, don't think so. better to split
Zero2Cool (10-Mar) : on new site, would Fan Shout and GameDay Chat show same messages?
Mucky Tundra (10-Mar) : The Hall of Fame stuff probably came from a scout as Zero said; at this point though it's hard to see them moving ZT from RT
Mucky Tundra (10-Mar) : Regarding ZT at C, Gute had said he felt C was ZTs best position after he was drafted.
Zero2Cool (10-Mar) : LB Oren Burks to sign a 2-year, $5M deal with the Bengals.
Zero2Cool (10-Mar) : Based on how it was worded at the time, probably scout.
beast (10-Mar) : I don't think the media person ever told the public the source, but Gute or LaFleur did say they thought Tom has earned his spot at OT
beast (10-Mar) : I think it was supposedly unnamed Packers source
buckeyepackfan (10-Mar) : Was that Gute or Lefleur or someone else?
buckeyepackfan (10-Mar) : Zach Tom could be a really good guard, an all pro tackle, but probably be a HOF Center. Who said that?
Zero2Cool (10-Mar) : It's March 10th. I don't think anything is done.
Martha Careful (10-Mar) : if we think CB is done, we have a poor roster
Mucky Tundra (10-Mar) : CB and OG in FA, narrows down the top of the draft board a little
Martha Careful (10-Mar) : Meh....I hope we can get Ward 49ers or Murphy Vikings
Zero2Cool (10-Mar) : Yes
Martha Careful (10-Mar) : did Nate Hobbs just sign with us CB Raiders?
Zero2Cool (10-Mar) : Jets have agreed to terms with former Ravens CB Brandon Stephens
Zero2Cool (10-Mar) : Aaron Banks’ PFF grade was 0.1 worse than Elgton Jenkins last year.
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Zero2Cool (10-Mar) : OL Patrick Mekari to sign with the Jaguars.
Zero2Cool (10-Mar) : oops
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