WhiskeySam
15 years ago

Five years under Thompson, this team is stuck in neutral. Some of the comments in this thread praising Thompson and downplaying Wolf are just ridiculous. Wolf's reputation is not just built on the immediate turnaround he pulled off in GB. He helped build a championship Raiders team in the 70s; went to TB when they started and took them from a winless expansion team to the NFC title game in five years; went back to the Raiders and built another championship team; then after one season with the Jets came here. In the last twenty years, the only other personnel man I can think of off the top of my head with that kind of resume is Bill Polian (built the 90s Bills who played in 4 Super Bowls, built the expansion Panthers into instant contenders, built and still runs the championship Colts). Those two are men who won everywhere they went. Ted Thompson's resume doesn't hold a candle to those two.

"warhawk" wrote:



I think the question is how far away were all these teams mentioned when the new GM took over. In the case of the Packers there was much immediate help needed in a lot of positions and through the years the old guard from the past began the natural path out.
Thats alot of turnover. I mean we are holding onto Tauscher, Clifton, and now Green again, but it's obvious that is out of necessity at this point and none will likely be here next year.

I'm not saying Ted and Mike should or shouldn't be here after this year but I do know there will be some GM's and coaches licking their chops to get in here because there is a core of younger players here well above the talent level most new guys would takeover.

I think that alone speaks for itself in terms of a misguidence on Thompson's part NOT to go after the FA's that could immediately help. It's obvious we have all the young and talented guys we really need.

One thing I don't think Thompson gets is how important that stud defensive LEADER is to a team. I think he and Mike McCarthy are so wrapped up in the tiny details they overlook the fact a huge amount of success can be contributed to the emotion and togetherness of 11 guys on the field.

They get so wrapped up in gap control and assignments and leverage they seem to forget sometimes you just go out there with the mentality that your going to whip the other guys ass. I mean, about every great defense now or what I can recall from the past had this big, mean, tough, always bleeding, LEADER, that kept everybody up which always allowed them to overcome a bad play now and then.

They look too often for the "assignment sure" guy IMO and I cannot pick out any bonafide blood spitting leader. That guy would have to be a veteran FA type because it won't come from the young guys until they establish that ability and that takes years.

"WhiskeySam" wrote:



I could see Matthews becoming that guy in a few years, but you're right it seems to be missing right now.

With regard to how bad those other teams were, the Bills and Colts were bad before Polian, and the Panthers and Bucs were expansion teams. I'd have to look up the Raiders. But that's why Wolf and Polian are so highly regarded. They have been able to do this repeatedly when most GMs can't. But for that reason, I can't call Ted Thompson a top-tier GM. He's not the gold standard even among current GMs.
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15 years ago

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And considering Thompson's apathy toward free agency and trades, he needs to hit home runs in the draft.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



This, to me, is the key point. If you are going to put more of your emphasis on the draft and less on free agency/trades, then you can't just be good at drafting. You must be great at drafting.

Getting starters isn't enough. Anyone can get starters. But if your choice for starters has to be "lesser of two mediocrities," you're not doing a good job.

And Thompson's problem is that he hasn't hit many home runs. I'd argue that Rodgers and Jennings were home runs. Collina, with his speed, stretches a triple into an inside-the-park home run. Jolly, Finley -- probably triples. This year's draft? Well, personally I think it's too early to tell, but Matthews and Raji look like extra base hits at the least.

But the rest? I'm not saying it's bad drafting. It isn't. But it isn't great either. And given TT's extra emphasis on the draft relative to the alternatives, that's not good enough.

It's not good enough to get starters (see, e.g., Daryn Colledge) who are probably "servicable" in the fourth year after being drafted. He needs to be getting people who are "dominant" in years two and three.
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bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes its possible but unlikely. If we do get the 5th, we face the NFCS winner
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Ahh, ok.
bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes due to tie breaker
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I mean, unlikely, yes, but mathematically, 5th is possible by what I'm reading.
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : If Vikings lose out, Packers win out, Packers get 5th, right?
bboystyle (23-Dec) : Minny isnt going to lose out so 5th seed is out of the equation. We are playing for the 6th or 7th seed which makes no difference
Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : beast, the ad revenue goes to the broadcast company but they gotta pay to air the game on their channel/network
beast (23-Dec) : If we win tonight the game is still relative in terms of 5th, 6th or 7th seed... win and it's 5th or 6th, lose and it's 6th or 7th
beast (23-Dec) : Mucky, I thought the ad revenue went to the broadcasting companies or the NFL, at least not directly
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I think the revenue share is moot, isn't it? That's the CBA an Salary Cap handling that.
bboystyle (23-Dec) : i mean game becomes irrelevant if we win tonight. Just a game where we are trying to play spoilers to Vikings chance at the #1 seed
Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : beast, I would guess ad revenue from more eyes watching tv
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I would think it would hurt the home team because people would have to cancel last minute maybe? i dunno
beast (23-Dec) : I agree that it's BS for fans planning on going to the game. But how does it bring in more money? I'm guessing indirectly?
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beast (23-Dec) : Barry seemed to get too conservative against new QBs, Hafley doesn't have that issue
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : However, we seem to struggle vs new QB's
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Should be moot point, cuz Packers should win tonight.
packerfanoutwest (23-Dec) : ok I stand corrected
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Ok, yes, you are right. I see that now how they get 7th
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beast (23-Dec) : Saying no to the 6th lock.
beast (23-Dec) : No, with the Commanders beating the Eagles, Packers could have a good chance of 6th or 7th unless the win out
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I think if Packers win, they are locked 6th with chance for 5th.
beast (23-Dec) : But it doesn't matter, as the Packers win surely win one of their remaining games
beast (23-Dec) : This is not complex, just someone doesn't want to believe reality
beast (23-Dec) : We already have told you... if Packers lose all their games (they won't, but if they did), and Buccaneers and Falcons win all theirs
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