Rockmolder
15 years ago

With our run game and running back I would be a lot more comfortable passing it.

"djcubez" wrote:



Really? Our run game that didn't exist? We ran the ball something like 15 times. 5 of the carries were Aaron Scrambling.

"TengoJuego" wrote:


Because we can't run it. We failed so badly running in the first half and did much better when we did run. I'm just saying the Vikings defensive line would probably have collapsed the line before Grant could get out of backfield. Aaron on a bootleg gives him a pass/run option or a QB sneak means we don't have to risk getting pulled down in the backfield.

"djcubez" wrote:



I didn't even mind the shotgun call that bad, though. I mean, if you sent Green out on a swing route, you have the quick release and a first down against the pressure they brought. It's just that play action that doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

I mean, they have great LBs, but most of them are a little stiff in the hips. Except EJ maybe. But I'd like that match-up of Green and a LB one on one in the open field. Or even a slant.
Gravedigga
15 years ago

With our run game and running back I would be a lot more comfortable passing it.

"djcubez" wrote:



Really? Our run game that didn't exist? We ran the ball something like 15 times. 5 of the carries were Aaron Scrambling.

"TengoJuego" wrote:


Because we can't run it. We failed so badly running in the first half and did much better when we did run. I'm just saying the Vikings defensive line would probably have collapsed the line before Grant could get out of backfield. Aaron on a bootleg gives him a pass/run option or a QB sneak means we don't have to risk getting pulled down in the backfield.

"djcubez" wrote:



Exactly. You just cant run the ball consistently against a team like that. They are bigger, stronger, more experienced, more confident. They know what they're doing. We've got guys who are run blocking when they should be pass blocking and vice versa(2nd Allen sack). It's just not gonna happen. Maybe we can get 3 yards if we're lucky. Best option is obviously to pass most of the time and try and sneak a run in there once in a while. Not many teams, especially not this Packer team can play Minny straight up and have ANY kind of success.

For example, you're a 180 pound guy, you are a little bit active, bench press 185 pounds or whatever and so do your 4 friends. Now, you're going up against some steroid filled monsters who weigh 230 pounds and bench press 400 pounds. All the technique and scheme in the world isn't going to allow you to have any success against them. Admitting you have a problem is the first step.
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UffDaVikes
15 years ago
I thought it was a better call than when they did the draw on 3rd and about 18 that went nowhere. I thought they stole that play from the Vikings when I saw it.
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PackFanWithTwins
15 years ago
It is not that it was a bad play call. It was that most of the time, it is bad calls. We are in shotgun way to often, which has very limited run options. And Grant is not able to break big runs, so defenses are just flat out pass rushing. Every play, there is no respect for our run game (correctly so). The Dline goes at Rodgers, and if it does happen to be a run, then they are able to stop Grant with an arm.
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PackFanWithTwins
15 years ago
Forget 3rd and 1. I just checked and according to my counting, we were in the Shotgun 46 times during the game. Out of somewhere around 65 total offensive plays when penalties are counted.

No balance in the offense.
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Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
The irony of this situation is that in college, Aaron Rodgers played in a pro-style system, while Alex Smith played in a spread offense. For that reason, if no other, Rodgers was arguably better prepared to succeed at the pro level. Yet apparently, Mike McCarthy is enamored of the spread offense, since it was Alex Smith he drafted to the 49ers, not Aaron Rodgers. Therefore, I guess it shouldn't be too surprising that the past few weeks, when I watch our offense, I feel like I'm watching a college spread offense, and it irks me. My college runs the spread offense exclusively, and I hate watching it from the sidelines. It strikes me as a lukewarm offense, a jack-of-all-trades-but-master-of-none offense. All finesse, technique, and trickery, no power or aggression. And it gets thrown around by nasty defenses like a cheap rag doll, or at least my college's does.

Aaron Rodgers was reared on a stiff diet of pro-style offense, and he excelled at it. Why not play to his strengths? Why treat him like an inexperienced college quarterback and expose him to the elements like we are?

Again, I put this squarely on Mike McCarthy. This is the NFL, man, not Division I-AA.
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djcubez
15 years ago

Forget 3rd and 1. I just checked and according to my counting, we were in the Shotgun 46 times during the game. Out of somewhere around 65 total offensive plays when penalties are counted.

No balance in the offense.

"PackFanWithTwins" wrote:



With our line we need Rodgers in shotgun so he doesn't get sacked every play.
PackFanWithTwins
15 years ago

Forget 3rd and 1. I just checked and according to my counting, we were in the Shotgun 46 times during the game. Out of somewhere around 65 total offensive plays when penalties are counted.

No balance in the offense.

"djcubez" wrote:



With our line we need Rodgers in shotgun so he doesn't get sacked every play.

"PackFanWithTwins" wrote:



How many run options are their in the shotgun? Very few. Sit in the shotgun that often and wonder why the defense is pinning its ears back. It is also easier for the defense to time the snap with the shotgun. Watch the center lift his head and time his snap.
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dfosterf
15 years ago
As to Ahman, he is still getting into "NFL shape", we have been told.

OK, I'll buy that.


As to Aaron, I think in our present situation, the lopsided shotgun formation use is justified. He seems as comfortable as one can be with everything coming at him but the kitchen sink. (His poise is simply amazing--so many QB's develop "happy feet" when shitty protection is the norm early in their careers)

He can take off his damn-self. Some seem to be forgetting or discounting that.

I don't think anyone should underestimate that aspect in the context of all the hell we are going through/discussing ---oline and RB's-wise.
nerdmann
15 years ago

Uh..And if I had one more number right on my lottery ticket, I'd be rich. What's your point?..I hate going spread on third and short in ALL situations. It's just plain trying too hard. Take the big back you brought back for THIS TYPE OF SITUATION...and run him twice. If you can't get a yard in those two plays..You lose. oh well.

"xavierlee9" wrote:




We don't have a power running game.
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