nerdmann
15 years ago

As to Ahman, he is still getting into "NFL shape", we have been told.

OK, I'll buy that.


As to Aaron, I think in our present situation, the lopsided shotgun formation use is justified. He seems as comfortable as one can be with everything coming at him but the kitchen sink. (His poise is simply amazing--so many QB's develop "happy feet" when shitty protection is the norm early in their careers)

He can take off his damn-self. Some seem to be forgetting or discounting that.

I don't think anyone should underestimate that aspect in the context of all the hell we are going through/discussing ---oline and RB's-wise.

"dfosterf" wrote:




Aaron cost us this game, imo. He didn't show up until the third quarter. Although he finally seems to have figured out how to get the ball out quickly on blitzes. So that's a plus.
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evad04
15 years ago

As to Ahman, he is still getting into "NFL shape", we have been told.

OK, I'll buy that.


As to Aaron, I think in our present situation, the lopsided shotgun formation use is justified. He seems as comfortable as one can be with everything coming at him but the kitchen sink. (His poise is simply amazing--so many QB's develop "happy feet" when shitty protection is the norm early in their careers)

He can take off his damn-self. Some seem to be forgetting or discounting that.

I don't think anyone should underestimate that aspect in the context of all the hell we are going through/discussing ---oline and RB's-wise.

"nerdmann" wrote:




Aaron cost us this game, imo. He didn't show up until the third quarter. Although he finally seems to have figured out how to get the ball out quickly on blitzes. So that's a plus.

"dfosterf" wrote:


For the record nerdmann, I'm not a troll -- although I can thank some others for making that clear before I've had a chance to respond.

What I am, though, is a person who is unequivocally resolute in my belief that great games like football -- given all their beautiful and rich subtleties and varying and sometimes intersecting complexities -- can never and should never be reduced to one argument, one idea, one singular praise or blame for the outcome of a game (that was an unfortunate rhyme, but just go with it).

I take issue with statements like "Aaron cost us the game" because they simply don't take into account the multitude of crucial factors that stack together over the course of a 60 minute game. Talk all you want about Rodgers failure in the first half. Hell, you can probably come up with absolutely legitimate critiques about his performance. But intellectual tenacity and fairness require that you extend the same courtesy (if you can call it that) to all the other examples of sub-par execution: special teams, defense, etc. You're entitled to think that one particular aspect of the game had the greatest impact -- that's fine. But it's almost never that a single player is to blame -- not when Harvin has two huge returns, or the offensive line falters again, or bad luck takes three defensive players on a collision course with one another and allows for a touchdown.

If I don't speak your language that's just going to have to be good enough. I'm an opinionated person. I make no proclamations about my view being infallible -- but I do try to take into account as many factors as possible when I make an evaluation.
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porky88
15 years ago

As to Ahman, he is still getting into "NFL shape", we have been told.

OK, I'll buy that.


As to Aaron, I think in our present situation, the lopsided shotgun formation use is justified. He seems as comfortable as one can be with everything coming at him but the kitchen sink. (His poise is simply amazing--so many QB's develop "happy feet" when shitty protection is the norm early in their careers)

He can take off his damn-self. Some seem to be forgetting or discounting that.

I don't think anyone should underestimate that aspect in the context of all the hell we are going through/discussing ---oline and RB's-wise.

"evad04" wrote:




Aaron cost us this game, imo. He didn't show up until the third quarter. Although he finally seems to have figured out how to get the ball out quickly on blitzes. So that's a plus.

"nerdmann" wrote:


For the record nerdmann, I'm not a troll -- although I can thank some others for making that clear before I've had a chance to respond.

What I am, though, is a person who is unequivocally resolute in my belief that great games like football -- given all their beautiful and rich subtleties and varying and sometimes intersecting complexities -- can never and should never be reduced to one argument, one idea, one singular praise or blame for the outcome of a game (that was an unfortunate rhyme, but just go with it).

I take issue with statements like "Aaron cost us the game" because they simply don't take into account the multitude of crucial factors that stack together over the course of a 60 minute game. Talk all you want about Rodgers failure in the first half. Hell, you can probably come up with absolutely legitimate critiques about his performance. But intellectual tenacity and fairness require that you extend the same courtesy (if you can call it that) to all the other examples of sub-par execution: special teams, defense, etc. You're entitled to think that one particular aspect of the game had the greatest impact -- that's fine. But it's almost never that a single player is to blame -- not when Harvin has two huge returns, or the offensive line falters again, or bad luck takes three defensive players on a collision course with one another and allows for a touchdown.

If I don't speak your language that's just going to have to be good enough. I'm an opinionated person. I make no proclamations about my view being infallible -- but I do try to take into account as many factors as possible when I make an evaluation.

"dfosterf" wrote:



In other words everyone, football is the ultimate team sport. :thumbright:
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