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Ted Thompson never has been one to ride the emotional roller coaster of an NFL season. He didnt do so during the 4-12 debacle of his first year as the Green Bay Packers general manger or in the 13-3 season of 2007.

Typically, he reserves judgment until after the season.

Thats why when Thompson made a statement like he did on Friday, just four games into the season, it was evident that his teams 2-2 start isnt sitting too well with him.

After a preseason in which the offense hit big play after big play, quarterback Aaron Rodgers was nearly flawless and the change to the 3-4 defense looked like an instant hit, the Packers find themselves among the middling teams in the NFC.

The preseason and the regular season are a whole different kettle of fish, but yeah, I would have thought we would have played a little bit better starting out, Thompson said. But at the same time, we feel like were a work in progress, and were going to get better.[img_r]http://cmsimg.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Avis=U0&Dato=20091009&Kategori=PKR01&Lopenr=91009165&Ref=TS&NewTbl=1&MaxW=380&Border=0[/img_r]

At their unusually early bye week, the Packers are tied for the eighth-best record in the NFC. After being a popular pick to win the NFC North, they stand in third place behind the unbeaten Minnesota Vikings (4-0) and the Chicago Bears (3-1). The Bears have won three straight and look like a different team than the one the Packers beat 21-15 in the opener at Lambeau Field.

Asked for his assessment of his team at the quarter pole of the season, Thompson said: I think everybody to a man would say we have room to improve. Were fighting, were scratching, were playing hard. But we think can do better. We think we can play better.

If the problems on defense dont come as a complete surprise given the overhaul coach Mike McCarthy made to his staff in the offseason, then the offensive struggles can be considered somewhat of a shocker.

The Packers rank 13th in the league in yards per game, 22nd in rushing yards and 12th in passing. They are eighth out of 32 teams in points but quarterback Aaron Rodgers has been sacked a league-high 20 times. Only one other team (Buffalo with 16 sacks allowed) has given up more than 13 sacks.

The Packers have played 2 games without starting left tackle Chad Clifton, who sustained an ankle injury midway through the Week 2 loss to the Cincinnati Bengals, and theyre trying to break in a new starting right tackle, Allen Barbre.

Still, Thompson refused to pin the offensive problems solely on the line.

The whole protection issue is a combination of things, Thompson said. Its the blocking, its the reads (by Rodgers), its the route running, its the running game, its the whole thing. All those things have to come together. I think we have a very potent offensive, but obviously weve stubbed our toe a little bit in terms of getting off to a good start.

For an offense that carried the Packers at times last season, when the defense struggled mightily, this wasnt something the Packers anticipated. After finishing their 6-10 season of 2008 ranked eighth in the league in total offense and then steamrolling through the first three preseason games, expectations were high for an offense that seemingly had multiple weapons in receivers Greg Jennings and Donald Driver, a healthy running back in Ryan Grant and an emerging tight end in Jermichael Finley.

The offensive production through four games this season is about the same as it was at this point last year, when through four games the Packers ranked 15th in yards, 23rd in rushing and 10th in passing. They had the same 2-2 record at this point last year.

Help for the offensive line could be on the way. Clifton is expected to return after the bye to play against Detroit on Oct. 18, and the Packers appear committed to re-signing Mark Tauscher, their primary right tackle from 2000 until he blew out his knee late last season. However, Thompson said on Friday that there was nothing to report on Tauscher.

On defense, the Packers havent generated the kind of pass rush they had hoped when McCarthy hired Dom Capers to implement the 3-4 scheme. They have just five sacks. Only four teams have generated fewer sacks and one of those, Carolina, has played only three games so far.

The Packers' best pass rusher, Aaron Kampman, who was twice a Pro Bowl player as a defensive end in large part because of his prowess as a pass rusher, has made only a minimal impact in his new role as an outside linebacker. He has just one sack this season.

The defense ranks 15th in yards allowed, 17th against the run and 18th against the pass, but most telling is that they are 22nd in points.

Asked whether the players are still feeling their way through the switch to the 3-4, Thompson said: To a degree.

But I think were playing good defense, he added. We had some breakdowns in each of the games that we can correct, but they are more fundamental or mental errors that we made. Weve shown that we have the versatility amongst our players to play pretty high quality defense. Again, this is an area where were continually going to improve.

Thompson wouldnt call the three-game stretch immediately after the bye, with games against Detroit, at Cleveland and a rematch with Minnesota, critical, but it could make or break the season. Another loss to the Vikings could have playoff ramifications because they would lose a head-to-head tiebreaker.

Weve played a quarter of the season, so weve got a long way to go, Thompson said. Our team is confident enough, but at the same time we understand that we have the work to do. I think we have the kind of team where if we play well, I do think we have (a playoff) team. I think we have that kind of people on our team.


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15 years ago
I don't think we should be a work in progress after he's had this many years to build this team.
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Still, Thompson refused to pin the offensive problems solely on the line.

The whole protection issue is a combination of things, Thompson said. Its the blocking, its the reads (by Rodgers), its the route running, its the running game, its the whole thing. All those things have to come together. I think we have a very potent offensive, but obviously weve stubbed our toe a little bit in terms of getting off to a good start.

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Keep sticking your head in the sand, plugging your ears, shutting your eyes and sing lalalalalalala all freaking bye week.. that will sure the hell fix things.

To say that I am disappoint in the lack of urgency of this staff is a f%#$ing understatement, they didn't even bother to bring in more lineman to gather options.. nothing.. I getting close to closing my openness to this regime.. you are getting your asses handed to you at the line of scrimmage on offense.. yet you sit on your hands.. damn it all.

I am tried on this caca.. sick and f%#$ing tired of hearing we have some things to fix. I tired of the "I think" statements.. I'm tired of this roller coaster of performance from this offensive line and the stubbornness not to make changes.. four years of it has worn me out.

Fix the issues or get the hell out.
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Sorry about the rant.. clipping video together.. I think I have heaved a couple of times in the process.. ;)

The last couple years it has been the interior of the line that was porous.. now the exterior because of poor personnel playing while we had solid bookend tackles and could have groomed the next wave.. arghhh..

Good thing is I have readjusted my expectations of this team... playoffs at this point would be a bonus.
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I don't think we should be a work in progress after he's had this many years to build this team.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



Agreed. Ted has had more than enough time to turn the franchise around.
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sunflower100
15 years ago
Too be fair, you know he isn't going to publicly call out anybody or say anything bad. Any GM (well not the chargers GM) is going to be PC when talking to the media.
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15 years ago
It's always a work in progress. Always.
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It's been four games guys. Four. Look at the statistics, we are basically the same offensively as we were in the first four games last year and we haven't even started performing well yet. The team will show it's true colors as we near the midpoint of the season.
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they didn't even bother to bring in more lineman to gather options.. nothing..

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I heard they brought in Tausher and Jones (former starting LT for the Bengals) for a look...

Also I really think they should keep the starters at their spots. With Colledge, Spitz and Sitton in the middle they should be able to run the ball better (if MM is willing to stick with the running game).....

also Lang has looked better at OT (though he might of been getting more help than College was... not sure about that though)...
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LambeauEast
15 years ago
Yeah, we've been a "work in progress" for quite a while now. And as pack93 said, I too am getting close to closing my openness with this regime.
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15 years ago

I don't think we should be a work in progress after he's had this many years to build this team.

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Exactly!

After the Bears game, I said if MM doesn't find a way to protect Rodgers it will begin to raise questions on whether he and Ted Thompson are the right guys to lead this team. I was berated by most on this board as overreacting (which I definietly was!), but it seems like we are all getting on the same page. This is MM's fourth year and we are still facing the problems we faced in year one: poor offensive line play and a poor pass rush.

If he hasn't fixed it by now, I'm not sure he ever will. And it's really unfortunate because this team is close to being a contender.
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they didn't even bother to bring in more lineman to gather options.. nothing..

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I heard they brought in Tausher and Jones (former starting LT for the Bengals) for a look...

Also I really think they should keep the starters at their spots. With Colledge, Spitz and Sitton in the middle they should be able to run the ball better (if Mike McCarthy is willing to stick with the running game).....

also Lang has looked better at OT (though he might of been getting more help than College was... not sure about that though)...

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Jones was brought in before the Viking game and yes they brought in Tauscher, but alas neither have been signed in a week where a fresh tackle could have been brought up to speed in the classroom, grant Tauscher doesn't really need that..

But with the wreak that the line has been, one would think Runyan would be looked at, no?

No instead of using the bye week effectively to strengthen a weakness of the team we are closing the bye week with no better options that we went into it with.

Some can say we are only four games into the season, thus is true, but I recall this line being questioned back into the 06 season.. granted then it was the interior and now the tackles... but 4 freaking year and the same happy horsepucky.. inconsistency at the line. Tell me I don't have a right to be fed up.. I call BS.

Listen, I think this guy, Ted has more positive marks than negative on the balance sheet of performance to date, but some of these negatives are sticking out like sore thumbs. Green giant sized through 4 games.

Is that all on Ted, absolutely not, hence why I have been calling for a change at the oline coach since the end of the 07 season.. yes the 07 season when we went 13-3.. the line has been a roller coaster since 06.. but it was clear that we lacked fundamentals in 07.
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15 years ago
I saw something...If they signed Mark NOW, they would be paying him for well not playing..So maybe they wait till Monday when players come back to have him signed and sealed..

Not saying I agree with that, cuz its sort of stupid to wait,but would be a reason?
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I saw something...If they signed Mark NOW, they would be paying him for well not playing..So maybe they wait till Monday when players come back to have him signed and sealed..

Not saying I agree with that, cuz its sort of stupid to wait,but would be a reason?

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They get paid for games, so I think it wouldn't be valid to say he would get a check for this week.. but even if they had to pay him.. so freaking be it.. having extra time to go over any of the scheme changes would be worth it.

But lets say we sign Mark.. that gives us a 2 deep option on the right with really Clifton and a green rook in Lang to cover the Left.. I think we are going to screw up Colledges progress inside if we keep this happy bs up with him getting acclimated to tackle again. Tackle from the rest of the line is so fundamentally different in your footwork..

It isn't like we don't have room to fix this thing on the roster either Blackmon to IR opens one spot and Breno being inactive weekly is a freaking joke.. put him on the PS.. he hasn't shown jack that should concern us that he won't make it through waivers. And the lord knows we have the cap room.. fix it.
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paanderson86
15 years ago

Too be fair, you know he isn't going to publicly call out anybody or say anything bad. Any GM (well not the chargers GM) is going to be PC when talking to the media.

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i agree completely with this statement. as the article up top says, the fact that he said anything at all just goes to show you that he is pretty pissed off at this point. i think that the media knows this, and the players sure as hell know this, and this was possibly meant to light a fire under their asses and make them realize that they need to fight for their jobs.
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15 years ago
Normally Ted Thompson is virtually silent during the season. Considering he's already amping up the rhetoric a bit, I wonder if this is a harbinger of major changes to come? People should realize they are playing for their jobs this season. If Aaron Rodgers in particular goes down with an injury this year, the Packers landscape will change drastically.
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Personally, it is about damn time he shown his face this season and take some of the heat of this under performing line and team. Albeit this isn't a press conference where he could possibly answer some of the grinding questions.

Still not impressed that we pissed away the bye week..
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cooolbeans08
15 years ago
I love how they tried to make the title of the article misleading. Here's the next line:

But at the same time, we feel like were a work in progress, and were going to get better.



And he's absolutely right. We thought we would be better, and we should improve.
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15 years ago
What do you guys expect, for Thompson to throw the O-line, Ryan Grant, Dom Capers and McCarthy under a bus? He's the GM of an organization of grown men who expect that they'll be treated with respect by the guy who steers the ship. He's not going to talk to a journalist and call out his whole team, talk about how much it sucks, and talk about what a bad job he's done because he has to maintain a level of respect with his coaches and players. Respect means talking to people face to face, not going all passive aggressive and feeding the team to the media. He says what has to say to the guys publishing stories and he deals with his business where it belongs, face to face with the men he brought to this team.

If you want to know what Thompson really thinks get a job with the Packers.
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15 years ago

What do you guys expect, for Thompson to throw the O-line, Ryan Grant, Dom Capers and McCarthy under a bus?

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No, but I do expect him to get off his ass and do whatever it takes to fix this OL. Fix the OL and we get our money's worth for Ryan Grant and Dom Capers doesn't have his D on the field for 32-33 minutes a game.

As for MM, Ted Thompson & MM are tied together. I have a feeling if one goes, the other gets fired as well.
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