ILikeThePackers39
15 years ago

I believe the number is something like 19 for the number of pressures that was put on Rodgers, on 37 pass attempts. 51% of the time, Rodgers was sacked, hit or knocked down. You can't pick and choose. If Rodgers starts throwing the ball away, it will not be on those few sacks, it will be on a good portion of those pressures. Not only will that, he will be getting rid of the ball sooner, which more than likely will lead to more INTs, and a much worse completion percentage.

Try to remember back to when Favre was in his first few years. There was constantly talk about him holding onto the ball to long, trying to make things happen. And guess what. That never changed. Only 1 year in the 90's did Brett have under 30 sacks. Brett's sack average did not drop until 2001.

Think we need to give Rodgers the same slack that was given Brett.

"PackFanWithTwins" wrote:




Bless you. The QB who won the Super Bowl last year hangs on to the ball too long, as well. I suppose he's also crap?

I'm not going to fault Rodgers for trying to make a play - a QB has to take risks. The difference is that what he's risking is a few yards, rather than handing the ball to the other team.

Are some of the sacks on Rodgers holding the ball a bit too long? Sure. So the fuck what? Most of them are on a line that can't give the guy 3 friggin' seconds on a consistent basis - I know that's depressing because we can't just fix it, and I know that - theoretically - you could just order Rodgers to start winging it, and so some are grasping at that particular straw. But it makes no sense.

Allen's sack/strip: I watched this play several times, and what I see is that once Rodgers hit his 3rd step, whatever was supposed to be the throw wasn't there - you can see it in his eyes. Yes, maybe I, sitting on my chair playing with the DVR, could see someone to throw to, but it's pretty clear that Rodgers did not, and wasn't going to risk turning the ball over down there. So he tries to reset and Allen's in his face - tries to back away from that, and good old Barbre's let the other DE in that door. Nothing he could do, other than something everyone here would undoubtedly disapprove of, like trying to flip the ball to someone.

The lines are the foundation of everything in football - if that foundation's broken, you can't expect one player to overcome that. It's just not fair.
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Zero2Cool
15 years ago

Bless you. The QB who won the Super Bowl last year hangs on to the ball too long, as well. I suppose he's also crap?

"ILikeThePackers39" wrote:



Who said Rodgers is crap? I've read quite a few posts on this board and I can't recall anyone saying Rodgers is crap because he holds the ball too long. So due tell me where that came from please?
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ILikeThePackers39
15 years ago

Bless you. The QB who won the Super Bowl last year hangs on to the ball too long, as well. I suppose he's also crap?

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



Who said Rodgers is crap? I've read quite a few posts on this board and I can't recall anyone saying Rodgers is crap because he holds the ball too long. So due tell me where that came from please?

"ILikeThePackers39" wrote:




How come everyone else here can use hyperbole and I can't? :pottytrain1:

Fine. Most are not saying he's crap. But there's sure a hell of a lot of debate over a statistically small number of sacks as compared to the number that's being caused by the O Line's ineffectiveness.

I'll just say, once more, that his holding on to the ball a bit long is a small problem, and in my opinion isn't a problem at all. I want him trying to make a play, and that's what he's doing. I'll leave it alone at this point.
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Zero2Cool
15 years ago

Bless you. The QB who won the Super Bowl last year hangs on to the ball too long, as well. I suppose he's also crap?

"ILikeThePackers39" wrote:



Who said Rodgers is crap? I've read quite a few posts on this board and I can't recall anyone saying Rodgers is crap because he holds the ball too long. So due tell me where that came from please?

"Zero2Cool" wrote:




How come everyone else here can use hyperbole and I can't? :pottytrain1:

Fine. Most are not saying he's crap. But there's sure a hell of a lot of debate over a statistically small number of sacks as compared to the number that's being caused by the O Line's ineffectiveness.

I'll just say, once more, that his holding on to the ball a bit long is a small problem, and in my opinion isn't a problem at all. I want him trying to make a play, and that's what he's doing. I'll leave it alone at this point.

"ILikeThePackers39" wrote:



lol hey I've called this to others attention too and i can't catch everything ya know! 🙂
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15 years ago

I'm not advocating he takes more sacks. I'm saying I don't think Rodgers can win right now no matter what he does. I think a lot of Packers fans want their pound of flesh and won't be satisfied until they get it, though even they aren't sure what it will look like.

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evad04
15 years ago
It can't be mentioned enough: MANY of the pressures/sacks are coming against only four rushers.

Let's take a moment and do some simple math. There are 11 defenders on defense; four are rushing, which means the other seven have coverage responsibilities of some sort. If the Packers keep in just ONE HB or TE to block, that's six blocking options. Then there's Rodgers. That leaves four passing options, with seven dropping into coverage.

If the pressure gets there quickly (i.e. 1-2 seconds) then Rodgers won't have time for a deep option and the underneath routes will likely be covered. A ton of Minnesota's sacks came against a simple Tampa 2 defense. Four man pass rush (line stunts, etc.), MLB drops into the deep middle, and the underneath routes are covered (flats, buzz, safeties in a deep half).

If the o-line fails in those situations, I can promise you there just aren't a lot of options to "get rid of it." There might be small windows of opportunity, and Rodgers probably needs to improve a little in that area. Expect him to. He's 25. In the meantime, he's going to need to have an advantage in the numbers game. I hope we can get teams to blitz us, because the blitz pickup actually hasn't been awful. It's the four/five man pressures that are killing us.
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zombieslayer
15 years ago
Well written Evad.
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Zero2Cool
15 years ago
4 man rush, 6 man rush, there's two sidelines.
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