TengoJuego
15 years ago

Aaron's main fault was that interception. That one he should not have thrown.

The fumble he had, I mean, if you are getting sandwiched by 2 d-lineman at full speed with no protection..chances are...the ball falls out.

Bottom line is that we lost, yes.

BUT..the frustrating thing for me personally is that if they went
for the field gold at 4th and goal...it would be a 7 point game
and Aaron's last meaningful drive would've been for the tying score.

That would've been a totally different outcome. I blame that one on McCarthy.

As for the sacks and the O-line disintegration..
Hats off to Aaron to play under such duress..

Hat's off to Brett Favre for whining/manipulating/coddling/loathing his way
back to having everyone talk about him. Can't knock his hustle.

Did you guys catch that Brett didn't even refer to Aaron by his first name?

"THEIR quaterback played pretty good"
I'm not even sure that was a compliment, but a dig.

I wan't wait till the Vikings come to Lambeau.
Aaron won't lose to Favre twice. Just wait.

"Cal2GreenBay" wrote:



Aaron took a good 2 or 3 sacks(maybe more) just because he was holding the ball for too long. You cant expect any line to block an All-Pro rusher for any significant amount of time. Let alone backup linemen.

I saw him throw the ball away twice I think. You HAVE to take the incompletion over the sack.
Zero2Cool
15 years ago
Fumble, forgivable.
Interception, gotta do better, but really it's his first of the year.
Taking too long, good coverage causes that and he was trying to make a play. Yes, I'd rather him run it or chuck it away instead of risk getting hit.
Favre, he gave Rodgers a hug right after the game and complimented him in the conference. The 'their qb' thing is under the bridge for me now.


WB Cal2.
porky88
  • porky88
  • Veteran Member Topic Starter
15 years ago
I just don't know what game people were watching. I guess everyone sees things differently. Watch the highlights of Allen beating the tackles. It's just pathetic. There is no way Rodgers can do anything especially when the entire pocket is collapsing. He's certainly not an innocent bystander by no means, but he's far from the blame. There is no way you can defend the offensive line and say "well Rodgers is holding the ball too long"

If you want to defend the o-line point to Ted Thompson. There are two tackles on this roster. Clifton who is hurt and Breno G who is a practice squad player like Pack93 said. Everyone else is a guard. They've got two guards playing tackle right now. They shouldn't put their players in that position.
Zero2Cool
15 years ago

I just don't know what game people were watching. I guess everyone sees things differently. Watch the highlights of Allen beating the tackles. It's just pathetic. There is no way Rodgers can do anything especially when the entire pocket is collapsing. He's certainly not an innocent bystander by no means, but he's far from the blame. There is no way you can defend the offensive line and say "well Rodgers is holding the ball too long"

If you want to defend the o-line point to Ted Thompson. There are two tackles on this roster. Clifton who is hurt and Breno G who is a practice squad player like Pack93 said. Everyone else is a guard. They've got two guards playing tackle right now. They shouldn't put their players in that position.

"porky88" wrote:



There's no way you're trying to imply I'm defending the OL, none. Impossible. Maybe I should be more clear since it's not apparent already. There were a few times I think Rodgers held the ball too long. I never said it was every play, never said the OL was not at fault, never ... NEVER said anything remotely close to that. In watching the game again I saw three plays where he held the ball too long and got sacked cuz of it. Did I see the down field coverage? Nope. But I'd like to have him throw it away at times like those.

I don't know squat about OL's, but I know how to play the QB position better than any position on the field. So, I tend to be overly critical over little things at times. I don't know why I'm saying this for the 492nd time, but that's my stance. Also, as I've said before, I'd rather Rodgers as my QB than most other QB's.

And if that quote was not geared towards me, just disregard my post. hah.

Oh, and Allen beating our tackles was pathetic. Colledge looked like a boy against a man. I'm leaning more towards he's a G, not a T as I've said for years.
porky88
  • porky88
  • Veteran Member Topic Starter
15 years ago

I just don't know what game people were watching. I guess everyone sees things differently. Watch the highlights of Allen beating the tackles. It's just pathetic. There is no way Rodgers can do anything especially when the entire pocket is collapsing. He's certainly not an innocent bystander by no means, but he's far from the blame. There is no way you can defend the offensive line and say "well Rodgers is holding the ball too long"

If you want to defend the o-line point to Ted Thompson. There are two tackles on this roster. Clifton who is hurt and Breno G who is a practice squad player like Pack93 said. Everyone else is a guard. They've got two guards playing tackle right now. They shouldn't put their players in that position.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



There's no way you're trying to imply I'm defending the OL, none. Impossible.

"porky88" wrote:



No No No

I meant the post above yours. Your view was clearly stated when you said that it's insult to joke to say our offensive line is a joke. :thumbleft:
dingus
15 years ago

Aaron's main fault was that interception. That one he should not have thrown.

The fumble he had, I mean, if you are getting sandwiched by 2 d-lineman at full speed with no protection..chances are...the ball falls out.

Bottom line is that we lost, yes.

BUT..the frustrating thing for me personally is that if they went
for the field gold at 4th and goal...it would be a 7 point game
and Aaron's last meaningful drive would've been for the tying score.

That would've been a totally different outcome. I blame that one on McCarthy.

As for the sacks and the O-line disintegration..
Hats off to Aaron to play under such duress..

Hat's off to Brett Favre for whining/manipulating/coddling/loathing his way
back to having everyone talk about him. Can't knock his hustle.

Did you guys catch that Brett didn't even refer to Aaron by his first name?

"THEIR quaterback played pretty good"
I'm not even sure that was a compliment, but a dig.

I wan't wait till the Vikings come to Lambeau.
Aaron won't lose to Favre twice. Just wait.

"Cal2GreenBay" wrote:



Yeah, Their Quarterback, I caught that too. There's some petty bullshit for ya.
blank
Zero2Cool
15 years ago

I just don't know what game people were watching. I guess everyone sees things differently. Watch the highlights of Allen beating the tackles. It's just pathetic. There is no way Rodgers can do anything especially when the entire pocket is collapsing. He's certainly not an innocent bystander by no means, but he's far from the blame. There is no way you can defend the offensive line and say "well Rodgers is holding the ball too long"

If you want to defend the o-line point to Ted Thompson. There are two tackles on this roster. Clifton who is hurt and Breno G who is a practice squad player like Pack93 said. Everyone else is a guard. They've got two guards playing tackle right now. They shouldn't put their players in that position.

"porky88" wrote:



There's no way you're trying to imply I'm defending the OL, none. Impossible.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:


No No No

I meant the post above yours. Your view was clearly stated when you said that it's insult to joke to say our offensive line is a joke. :thumbleft:

"porky88" wrote:



lol ... it's true tho ... our OL sucks. I talked to Barry and he said even he couldn't get 100 yards rushing behind our OL.
Dulak
15 years ago
Ok so watched the full game now; here is my take:

- First drive actually looked real good. Finley had a nice catch or 2 (cant remember if he got 2 there). Grant had a nice run (for a change). IMO the opening drive looked Awesome; nice screen passes and little passes to keep the pressure off rodgers. Now the whole allen strip and fumble; I watched that play in real time. I dont blame rodgers for bringing the ball in close and looking to take the sack there. Allen came at him quick; and IMO too quick for him to throw it away. MM usually doesnt red flag calls that are quite clear; so thats a bit of a flub.

- We already have 2-3 penalties on us already; now granted they may be legit. But I feel I am seeing ref bias already. The play before the viks score; rice had a really nice hold on harris that would of erased like 20 yards (almost a 10 yard run and -10 on the hold) but no the refs didnt call it.

- I saw kuhn get a running call; Great. I like the mix up of plays; instead of Always pounding it to grant and getting little ground.

- Holy shit; I just saw the pass to a wide-open finley. That run was beautiful. That guy is a totally different receiver then last year. Great extension toward the goal line also. That play deserves a A+
The viks also blitzed arod there.

- I saw a tackle on driver outside of bounds - wonder if that would of been called on gb if we would of done that.

- Rodgers throw was off the mark and put more into a position where winfield would of caught that then jennings. So I put that one on rodgers.

- it looked like they both were wrestleing ie that call on woodson - but its called on the pack ... so far no penalties on the viks

- the big throw to berrian; I cant tell if the blame should of been on harris or the safety or if its a problem with the scheme so its more of a zone coverage now. Either way that play cost us.

- the third sack; I blame on rodgers ... pocket was collapsing from what I could see wynn was open but it appeared he was looking for a farther distant target (and thats when he got sacked).

- Holy shit (again); clay matthews rips the football out and runs down the field. Man that was a awesome play.

- Last drive of the 2nd quarter; coverage seemed to be lacking. Harvin was wide open.

- OK the 'holding' call on woodson. BS ... winfield was playing on our guy just as close. This was total BS. So 2 penalties here ...
Very next play that they score on there is another penalty on GB ... So let me get this straight ... there are no penalties on MN? ... so my question is are they that good or are the refs in love with favre

- To be honest I give the pack credit for the 1st 1/2. They did really well and IMO just a bit better then the viks. From holding peterson to just a few plays. To makeing some key plays. The things that they had problems with were of course the pick and the slack coverage on the receivers. The strip I dont blame rodgers on that one.

I wonder what the score would of been like if GB didnt have all those penalties. I'm guessing 21/7 GB favor.
MM looked a bit pissed during the game I think he was pissed off about all these penalties being called on his team and none on the viks.



- 2nd 1/2 started with an inability to rush favre. Then the pass to berrian; now again I dont know if its harris or the safety's fault for leaving him so open. I think harris just thought the ball was headed out of bounds but barrian nabs it. That was all us there.

- 2nd time in a row a holding penalty on the return ... I want to know if these are really holds or just things the refs are calling to hold the pack down.

- I got to say vikings fans suck - booing all the legit calls and cheering for all the bad calls.

- Rodgers hold of the ball is a bit too long; but I love the way MM is using screens finally to take pressure off rodgers. Finally

- Lee's drop ... ouch

- not much else of note till the end of the game cept for sacks ...

I say GG for the pack

- things that need to be addressed; pressure to the QB and the Oline.

- things I liked - Finley and matthews 2 thumbs up. MM 2 thumbs up with running more screens.

2 thumbs down for the refs (saw it last week with the Mn vs SF and they are at it again here.) SF actually had it worse IMO.
RedSoxExcel
15 years ago

Aaron's main fault was that interception. That one he should not have thrown.

The fumble he had, I mean, if you are getting sandwiched by 2 d-lineman at full speed with no protection..chances are...the ball falls out.

Bottom line is that we lost, yes.

BUT..the frustrating thing for me personally is that if they went
for the field gold at 4th and goal...it would be a 7 point game
and Aaron's last meaningful drive would've been for the tying score.

That would've been a totally different outcome. I blame that one on McCarthy.

As for the sacks and the O-line disintegration..
Hats off to Aaron to play under such duress..

Hat's off to Brett Favre for whining/manipulating/coddling/loathing his way
back to having everyone talk about him. Can't knock his hustle.

Did you guys catch that Brett didn't even refer to Aaron by his first name?

"THEIR quaterback played pretty good"
I'm not even sure that was a compliment, but a dig.

I wan't wait till the Vikings come to Lambeau.
Aaron won't lose to Favre twice. Just wait.

"dingus" wrote:



Yeah, Their Quarterback, I caught that too. There's some petty bullshit for ya.

"Cal2GreenBay" wrote:



I think in the Press Conference after he referred to his name. He complimented him a bunch of times actually.

He did also say that Al Harris is used to playing press and now he's asked to do something else which I found interesting as it seems like a jab at Capers.
blank
Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
Rodgers might not lose twice to Favre, but the rest of the team might.
Fan Shout
Zero2Cool (6h) : sounds like Packers don't get good compensation, Jaire staying
dfosterf (10h) : Nobody coming up with a keep, but at x amount
dfosterf (10h) : Trade, cut or keep
dfosterf (11h) : that from Jaire
dfosterf (11h) : My guess is the Packers floated the concept of a reworked contract via his agent and agent got a f'
Zero2Cool (11h) : Yes, and that is why I think Rob worded it how he did. Rather than say "agent"
dfosterf (11h) : Same laws apply. Agent must present such an offer to Jaire. Cannot accept or reject without presenting it
Zero2Cool (11h) : I'm thinking that is why Rob worded it how he did.
dfosterf (11h) : The Packers can certainly still make the offer to the agent
dfosterf (11h) : Laws of agency and definition of fiduciary responsibility
dfosterf (11h) : Jaire is open to a reduced contract without Jaire's permission
dfosterf (11h) : The agent would arguably violate the law if he were to tell the Packers
Zero2Cool (12h) : That someone ... likely the agent.
Zero2Cool (12h) : So, Jaire has not been offered nor rejected a pay reduction, but someone says he'd decline.
Zero2Cool (12h) : Demovksy says t was direct communication with someone familiar with Jaire’s line of thinking at that moment.
Zero2Cool (12h) : Demovsky just replied to me a bit ago. Jaire hasn't said it.
dfosterf (14h) : Of course, that depends on the definition of "we"
dfosterf (14h) : We have been told that they haven't because he wouldn't accept it. I submit we don't know that
dfosterf (14h) : What is the downside in making a calculated reduced offer to Jaire?
Zero2Cool (15-Apr) : Packers are receiving interest in Jaire Alexander but a trade is not imminent
Zero2Cool (15-Apr) : Jalen Ramsey wants to be traded. He's never happy is he?
Zero2Cool (15-Apr) : two 1sts in 2022 and two 2nd's in 2023 and 2024
Zero2Cool (15-Apr) : Packers had fortunate last three drafts.
dfosterf (15-Apr) : I may have to move
dfosterf (15-Apr) : My wife just told the ancient Japanese sushi dude not enough rice under his fish
Zero2Cool (14-Apr) : I think a dozen is what I need
dfosterf (14-Apr) : Go fund me for this purpose just might work. A dozen nurses show up at 1265 to provide mental health assistance.
dfosterf (14-Apr) : Maybe send a crew of Angels to the Packers draft room on draft day.
Zero2Cool (14-Apr) : I am the Angel that gets visited.
dfosterf (14-Apr) : Visiting Angels has a pretty good reputation
Zero2Cool (14-Apr) : what
Martha Careful (14-Apr) : WINNING IT, not someone else losing it. The best victory though was re-uniting with his wife
Martha Careful (14-Apr) : The manner in which he won it was just amazing and wonderful. First blowing the lead then getting back, then blowing it. But ultimately
Zero2Cool (12-Apr) : I'm guessing since the thumb was broken, he wasn't feeling it.
dfosterf (10-Apr) : Looking for guidance. Not feeling the thumb.
Mucky Tundra (10-Apr) : If they knew about it or not
Mucky Tundra (10-Apr) : I don't recall that he did which is why I asked.
Zero2Cool (10-Apr) : Guessing they probably knew. Did he have cast or something on?
Mucky Tundra (10-Apr) : Did they know that at the time or was that something the realized afterwards?
Zero2Cool (9-Apr) : Van Ness played most of season with broken thumb
wpr (9-Apr) : yay
Zero2Cool (9-Apr) : Mark Murphy says Steelers likely to protect Packers game. Meaning, no Ireland
Zero2Cool (8-Apr) : Struggling to figure out what text editor options are needed and which are 'nice to have'
Mucky Tundra (8-Apr) : *CHOMP CHOMP CHOMP*
Zero2Cool (2-Apr) : WR who said he'd break Xavier Worthy 40 time...and ran slower than you
Mucky Tundra (2-Apr) : Who?
Zero2Cool (2-Apr) : Texas’ WR Isaiah Bond is scheduled to visit the Bills, Browns, Chiefs, Falcons, Packers and Titans starting next week.
Zero2Cool (2-Apr) : Spotting ball isn't changing, only measuring distance is, Which wasn't the issue.
Zero2Cool (2-Apr) : The spotting of the ball IS the issue. Not the chain gang.
Mucky Tundra (2-Apr) : Will there be a tracker on the ball or something?
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2024 Packers Schedule
Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM
Eagles
Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM
COLTS
Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM
Titans
Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM
Rams
Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM
CARDINALS
Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM
TEXANS
Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM
Jaguars
Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM
Bears
Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM
49ERS
Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM
DOLPHINS
Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM
Seahawks
Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM
SAINTS
Sunday, Dec 29 @ 3:25 PM
Vikings
Sunday, Jan 5 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Jan 12 @ 3:30 PM
Eagles
Recent Topics
15m / Random Babble / bboystyle

12h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

15-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

13-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

12-Apr / Feedback, Suggestions and Issues / Zero2Cool

11-Apr / Feedback, Suggestions and Issues / Rockmolder

2-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

2-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

1-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

1-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

31-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

30-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

29-Mar / Random Babble / wpr

28-Mar / Random Babble / Martha Careful

26-Mar / Random Babble / Mucky Tundra

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.