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[img_r]http://cdn.cloudfiles.mosso.com/c117812/media_center/images/static/authors/author_large_lombardi.png[/img_r]DMN: Jets, Skins add information men 

Something looks fishy in trades for backup QBs.


Michael Lombardi

September 08, 2009, 10:27 AM EST

QUOTE: A learning experience is one of those things that say, You know that thing you just did? Don't do that. -- Douglas Adams

INFORMATION MEN


The Jets traded for Kevin OConnell (have you ever seen a team more obsessed with the Patriots than the Jets?), and the Skins signed former Giants quarterback Andre Woodson, so now both players will face their former teams in Week 1 (Woodson) and Week 2 (OConnell) of the season. Does this mean the new teams will have insight and privileged information coming from the two quarterbacks? Yes, theyll know all the calls and all the checks, and theyll know the philosophy behind the schemes. But will it help their new teams win? In my mind, knowing what will happen and preventing it from happening are two different things.

The Jets have had a personnel obsession with the Patriots, often claiming players the Pats let go, but rarely do those players make significant contributions in helping the Jets win. Many thought it was because former Jets coach Eric Mangini knew the Patriots players who were available, so it was a natural process. But the obsession has not ended, as evidenced by some recent claims. Now, the Jets are carrying four quarterbacks on their roster. With the exception of starter Mark Sanchez, carrying three backups fits perfectly with the John Madden creed: When you have a lot of something, you got nothing. You have to wonder what the Jets real motivation is in acquiring OConnell.

[img_r]http://cdn.cloudfiles.mosso.com/c117812/media_center/images/rendered/blog/wysiwyg/Woodson.jpg[/img_r]The last thing they need is a another weak-armed quarterback whos best suited to play the shotgun and didnt look good in any preseason game. The Jets will claim they had a high grade on OConnell coming out of college, so it made sense to them to make the trade. But does this make sense at a time when you have two players suspended for the opening game? This means you roster is light on kicking game players and could use a little help. Im not against the trade for OConnell, but what I dont understand is why a team would carry three quarterbacks with very little game experience. Isnt two enough? Something seems a little fishy here.

The Lions put in a claim for Kevin OConnell knowing two things: One, they really didnt want him, and two, they knew that among the Jets, Browns and Broncos, one of those teams would be willing to give them a late draft choice. Clearly, the Jets, Browns and now the Broncos are very predictable with their personnel acumen.

So can OConnell help the Jets learn more about the Patriots personnel and scheme? Im not sure he can offer any more than former Patriots coach Brian Daboll could during his stint with the Jets. OConnell can help Jets coach Rex Ryan understand their protection patterns and how they might block certain looks, but that information is nothing that Ryan or Mike Pettine, the defensive coordinator, cant determine off game tape. So the claiming of OConnell must be talented related or obsession related, but not insider information related.

The Skins did the same thing claiming Woodson from the Giants, and by the sound of the reaction from the Giants, its clear that Woodson has information about the opening game. This is probably because the Giants spent a large portion of their training camp preparing for the opener with plays and formations they never showed in the preseason. Woodson being on the Skins will now force the Giants to make changes -- taking no chances on Woodson sharing their calls, checks and ideas. As with OConnell, the information that Woodson has about the Giants only pertains to the offense; neither can affect the other side of the ball.

The question remains, do these moves help in terms of information or are they solely personnel driven? When I was in the NFL, my sole thinking was improving the talent level of my team. If, by chance, that meshed with a player who could share some insight, then it was a bonus -- but its not what drove my thought process. I learned a long time ago from George Allen to evaluate the evaluator. I urge the Jets and Skins to do the same.


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Kingdom22
15 years ago
All that is going on now is NFL is trying to make a new rivalry out of this. They are desperate for money and more rivals they got better ratings they will have. Now if the Jets release that person before week 8 then yeah. They had got him only for the information. Favre is suppose to know the Packers playbook right?
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Rockmolder
15 years ago
A new rivalry? The Redskins - Giants and Jets - Patriots rivalries are big enough, already.

O'Connoll has some value, I doubt that they would pull of a trade for a QB, giving up a pick, just because he has a little info on the plays and audibles.

Woodson, on the other hand, has been quoted saying stuff like  "I'm definitely a little bit familiar with it (The playbook)" and "Right now, anything to help the Redskins out, I'm willing to do." There's not a whole lot of reasons besides getting this info out of him. Chase Daniels is the better player with more upside. They cut him earlier on.

I don't think that the Giants are dumb enough to keep their audibles and what not exactly the same, but it does have an effect on the team already. They'll have to put time in on changing audibles and what not. Something that takes time away from other kinds of practices etc.
Cheesey
15 years ago
Truth is, there are only so many football plays you can call. ALL teams use different versions of the same plays.
So just because a player once played for a certain team doesn't mean anything they can say will change anything.
Unless a team is so stupid as to NOT change the audibles, like Rock said.
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nyrpack
15 years ago
this guy is looking into things way too hard !!
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