16 years ago
Murder suicide. News outlets are starting to call it.
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Cheesey
16 years ago
I kind of figured that when they said he was shot several times, her once.
So i'm not surprised. Such a waste of human life.
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dfosterf
16 years ago
Florio questioning powder residue on her left hand with gunshot to right temple...If true, damn good question.
TheKanataThrilla
16 years ago
As the details of his death seem complete, I guess now we can move on to celebrating his life. What do you think his chances are to be in the Hall of Fame? I think it'll be close with a Co-MVP and his Pro-Bowls as well as being one of the true warriors of the game. I hate the term "Black Quarterback", but given the history of discrimination of the position I will use it to say I think Steve was in the top 3 Black Quarterbacks of all time. Warren Moon to me is still #1 and McNabb will probably be known as the best when it is all said and done, but I think McNair is right there with them.
Cheesey
16 years ago
I hate that too. When they mention Barry Sanders, or Emmitt Smith, do they say "black" running backs? They don't do it with ANY position but QB.
There are MANY more GREAT RB's and WR's that are black then white guys. Should white guys get special consideration to get in the HOF as good "white" players at those positions?And the, whats it called. "Rooney rule" where a team has to interview a certain number of blacks for the job. And they wonder why racism is still rampant? Tell me that that crap isn't racist.
ANYONE should be able to hire ANYONE that they want for a job. What does skin color have to do with it?

McNair should get consideration for the HOF based ONLY on his football career, not his color.

And to me, it takes just as much brains to be able to run the correct route or hit the right hole as it does to call the play.
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dfosterf
16 years ago
I don't think he makes the HOF.

I just looked at the numbers, the opinions, etc. - I paid especially close attention to what has been said prior to this tragedy.

If I were to sum it all up, my best characterization of what seemed to be the consensus was that he was in the ballpark, HOF-wise, but not quite there.

My guess is that had he not been injured as much as he was, he would have made it rather easily.

If his induction were to help his family in some way, I'm all for it.
The_Green_Ninja
16 years ago

I hate that too. When they mention Barry Sanders, or Emmitt Smith, do they say "black" running backs? They don't do it with ANY position but QB.
There are MANY more GREAT RB's and WR's that are black then white guys. Should white guys get special consideration to get in the HOF as good "white" players at those positions?And the, whats it called. "Rooney rule" where a team has to interview a certain number of blacks for the job. And they wonder why racism is still rampant? Tell me that that crap isn't racist.
ANYONE should be able to hire ANYONE that they want for a job. What does skin color have to do with it?

McNair should get consideration for the HOF based ONLY on his football career, not his color.

And to me, it takes just as much brains to be able to run the correct route or hit the right hole as it does to call the play.

"Cheesey" wrote:



Amen. Though I always had a spot in my heart for McNair, so I wouldn't mind him in the HOF.
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Cheesey
16 years ago
Oh, don't get me wrong! I wouldn't mind at all if he gets voted in! The ONLY thing i don't like is COLOR being brought into it. Honestly, i judge a QB on how good he is. I remember watching Randal Cunningham and how he amazed me with his scrambling and sheer power. I really liked the guy (except when he played us!!!) I honestly didn't give a damn what color his skin was. He had GRIT!
The only way racism will ever end is if we stop making special rules based on ANY color.
I have cousins that are black, and unless i'm making a point, like here, i don't say "Here's my BLACK cousins", they are just my BLOOD!
And it's kind of funny, cause my Uncle (their Grandpa) was VERY racist.......until they were born! Then you should have seen him! A more loving Gramps you couldn't ask for!
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Rockmolder
16 years ago
It's pretty likely that most of you guys have seen this, but still, for the ones that haven't, these are some goosebumb moments. That Ray Lewis can sure talk.

Teammates and Coaches on McNair. 

Ray Lewis' amazing speech on McNair. 

News article and Vince Young. 
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