Trippster
16 years ago

What I find interesting is that almost all of these "key" people were in the organization when Sherman was here too. Yet he was fired partly, because of his poor personell decisions.

"longtimefan" wrote:



Could it be that he over ruled what the "key people" wanted him to do?

"Trippster" wrote:



I understand that to be the case, however, we really didn't hear about it til the end. I guess it is possible that Thompson could be the same way. I would think not, and it sounds like that is not the case.

When you are in charge (Thopson) you rise or fall based on your support. Wether we want to blame him soley or not, he is responsible for the final decisions, just as ultimately, McCarthey is accountable for the poor defense last year.
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Pack93z
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16 years ago


When you are in charge (Thopson) you rise or fall based on your support. Wether we want to blame him soley or not, he is responsible for the final decisions, just as ultimately, McCarthey is accountable for the poor defense last year.

"Trippster" wrote:



Agreed, but that doesn't mean a true fan of the organization has to close a blind eye to the big picture.

Weekly I manage my Boss and listen closely to those that report to me and those that I supply within the organization.. not only does it create less work and better communications.. it ultimately closes the loop on the direction of the company and keeps us marching forward to success.

Big picture management..
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Zero2Cool
16 years ago
The Sherman argument can be summed up very easily.

Sherman micromanaged.
Thompson delegates.
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DakotaT
16 years ago


When you are in charge (Thopson) you rise or fall based on your support. Wether we want to blame him soley or not, he is responsible for the final decisions, just as ultimately, McCarthey is accountable for the poor defense last year.

"pack93z" wrote:



Agreed, but that doesn't mean a true fan of the organization has to close a blind eye to the big picture.

Weekly I manage my Boss and listen closely to those that report to me and those that I supply within the organization.. not only does it create less work and better communications.. it ultimately closes the loop on the direction of the company and keeps us marching forward to success.

Big picture management..

"Trippster" wrote:



Here I thought all you did was moderate the forum. Where do find all the time? Are you going to show your company a picture of you being dressed in drag after our draft day trade with Carolina? :icon_smile:
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vegOmatic
16 years ago

When you are in charge (Thopson) you rise or fall based on your support. Wether we want to blame him soley or not, he is responsible for the final decisions, just as ultimately, McCarthey is accountable for the poor defense last year.

"Trippster" wrote:



The stupidity and drama that keeps coming around comes from those who blame Ted Thompson for not caving in to every silly wish from Brett Favre.
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buckeyepackfan
16 years ago

The Sherman argument can be summed up very easily.

Sherman micromanaged.
Thompson delegates.

"SlickVision" wrote:



Don't forget MS's teams won more than they lost, as of today that can't be said about TT's teams.
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Zero2Cool
16 years ago

The Sherman argument can be summed up very easily.

Sherman micromanaged.
Thompson delegates.

"buckeyepackfan" wrote:



Don't forget MS's teams won more than they lost, as of today that can't be said about Ted Thompson's teams.

"SlickVision" wrote:



Don't forget Sherman inherited a solid team. Don't forget Thompson inherited a team on a rapid decline from Sherman. Don't forget Sherman had Favre in his prime. Don't forget that once Wolf's players started being replaced with Sherman's players we won, less, and less, and less.

Yes, lets not forget.


With that said, 4 8 13 6 win seasons ... garbage! Thompson can have a mulligan on year one, fine. Year two, three and four should be improvements over the prior year. Eight wins, nice. Thirteen wins, great. Six, what, SIX wins? WTF happened! Unacceptable. We lost too many games by four or five points or less.

My personal opinion on losing close games is often related to not having veteran leadership to help group guys together to make that final push for the win. To give that motivation, that hope, that "we can do it" feeling.

We don't have that and that falls on Thompson's shoulders.
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warhawk
16 years ago

The Sherman argument can be summed up very easily.

Sherman micromanaged.
Thompson delegates.

"buckeyepackfan" wrote:



Don't forget MS's teams won more than they lost, as of today that can't be said about Ted Thompson's teams.

"SlickVision" wrote:



True, but the fact remains MS walked into a loaded boat of RW's personnel and as time went by never made the team better. From the time he got there until they fired him the "D" went downhill and he never got the players in behind what was a very good offense but getting older.

He was one of the few and fortunate men to be named GM at a time when the team was pretty much loaded. There was a HUGE difference in where the personnel level was at when he came on board and when Ted Thompson got here.

Over his entire tenure we were LUCKY if we got one player a year out of the draft that turned into a contributer AND by the time he left the Cap was a wreck.

Apples and oranges.
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porky88
16 years ago
I've gone back and forth with so many people on the Sherman arguement.

I'll sum it up like this.

Mike Sherman won with Ron Wolf's players. Sherman as a good head coach can be argued, but he was a far worse GM than Thompson. A lot of the players he drafted are out of the league.
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16 years ago


Mike Sherman won with Ron Wolf's players. Sherman as a good head coach can be argued, but he was a far worse GM than Thompson. A lot of the players he drafted are out of the league.

"porky88" wrote:



To be candidly honest.. Ted and Co. track record with picks still in the league from 05 and 06 isn't stellar either.. Murphy was due to injury.. you maybe can put Underwood in that same group..

But definitely not stellar just to be fair.


Year  	Rnd  	Pick  	 			Pos  	Status
2006	1	5	A.J. Hawk 		LB 	
2006	2	47	Daryn Colledge 		T 	
2006	2	52	Greg Jennings 		WR 	
2006	3	67	Abdul Hodge 		LB 	
2006	3	75	Jason Spitz 		G 	
2006	4	104	Cory Rodgers 		WR 	Out of League
2006	4	115	Will Blackmon 		DB 	
2006	5	148	Ingle Martin 		QB 	
2006	5	165	Tony Moll 		T 	
2006	6	183	Johnny Jolly 		DT 	
2006	7	253	Dave Tollefson 		DE 	Out of League
2005	1	24	Aaron Rodgers 		QB 	
2005	2	51	Nick Collins 		DB 	
2005	2	58	Terrence Murphy 	WR 	Out of League
2005	4	115	Marviel Underwood 	DB 	Out of League
2005	4	125	Brady Poppinga 		LB 	
2005	5	143	Junius Coston 		G 	
2005	5	167	Michael Hawkins 	DB 	Out of League
2005	6	180	Mike Montgomery 	DT 	
2005	6	195	Craig Bragg 		WR 	Out of League
2005	7	245	Kurt Campbell 		DB 	Out of League
2005	7	246	Will Whitticker 	G 	Out of League



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