2 months ago
he's Clevelands problem......nuff said about him
beast
2 months ago

I don't know if it is true or not. (I heard it on a podcast.) I am not sure if it is the interview you refer to Beast in your last post. A team purposely made errors in their install for Sanders. They wanted to test him. He didn't find them. When they pointed it out, he didn't care and got angry with them.
In the greater scheme of things he is probably right that their fake install is meaningless. In reality he is wrong because you have to show you are capable of discerning every aspect of your job and be willing to make sure it is 100% correct. You have to prove you know what you are doing. You have to prove you can run the franchise. He failed to do so.
On the other hand, I don't know if this is normal treatment of every QB or not.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



I think that's absolutely normal, maybe not that specific thing, but I've seen videos where coaches or scouts purposely say the wrong thing, to see if the players notices and corrects them.

As some lawyers claim, you never ask a question that you don't already know the answer to, or at least you think you know how they'll respond.

And with auditing, the best way to see if someone actually knows what they're doing, you ask questions and see if they agree or disagree, when you already know the correct answer, but you're seeing if they're just agreeing with you, going with the flow, or if they agree with the correct answers.

When I had to review other companies work, I almost learned more from interviewing the person and how they reacted to different situations than reviewing their work.

Because if they correct you every time, they know what their doing... and then if you still find a lot of errors, then you know they know, but just don't care.

Or if there are errors, figuring out why there was errors.

Finding errors, and then being overly defensive about it, is normally a very bad sign. As they can't handle criticism, or people aren't doing their jobs to find and report the errors.

I hadn't much opinion on him. I watched highlight reels of him and there were a lot of passes to guys who were wide open and/or behind the secondary. Think about that now. You're putting together highlights of someone and those plays are taking up 40%-50% of the clips? Those throws are ones any QB can and should make. Then there's a lot of passes that the WR had to make large (moving 3-5 yard) adjustments to catch or come back to catch while they were open. He also holds the ball for what seems like a long time and takes a lot of unnecessary sacks. This is one contribution to his completion percentage. The other is he threw a lot of bubble screens and other really short passes.

Granted, I am not QB scout, not at all. That being said, after watching more and more of Shedeur I couldn't believe there was talk of him being drafted in the top five (Deion's claim). Weak QB class or not, I didn't think he was worth anything higher than 4th, maybe 3rd if in the right situation with the right coaching staff.

My dad was hoping the Steelers would pass on him. My cousin was pissed they didn't use 1st round on him. My dad had mentioned a name of someone I had heard about, Will Howard. I started watching the highlights on him and other clips. I like Will Howard far more than Shedeur Sanders for QB. Howard, the ball pops off his hand and he hits guys in stride and can lead them. Shedeur cannot and I think he'll have early success, but once teams realize he cannot beat them deep, they will destroy him.

Talent was a part of where he was drafted, no question. Going to social media and saying you don't remember a teammate. That's a bad bad look. I'm fine with it being a fact, but you don't go posting it. If you remove a lot of the negative stuff, I don't think he goes higher than 3rd round, MAYBE 2nd round if a team thinks they can improve his arm and accuracy and leadership.

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As Dan Orlovsky noted, QB Sanders film is some of the absolute hardest to judge/grade and it has nothing to do with him... but everything to do with the absolutely horrible OL that he had in front of him, making him scrambling.

And with that, he (like most QBs in that situation) pick up some bad habits. So supposedly one could argue his 2024 tape was worse than his 2023 tape.

But he was still able to be a big time play maker... so in theory, if you got him just an average OL, then he potentially could look a lot better and get bad to the good habits.

And the WRs were wide open in part because Sanders first had to scramble for his life, and got on the edge and was no longer in the pocket.

Again, I don't think he was a first rounder... but from a pure talent potential perspective, I think it's hard to argue that someone with his pure talent potential shouldn't of gone in the top 3 rounds.

There was some off the field stuff that rubbed teams the wrong way.

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2 months ago

As Dan Orlovsky noted, QB Sanders film is some of the absolute hardest to judge/grade and it has nothing to do with him... but everything to do with the absolutely horrible OL that he had in front of him, making him scrambling.

And with that, he (like most QBs in that situation) pick up some bad habits. So supposedly one could argue his 2024 tape was worse than his 2023 tape.

But he was still able to be a big time play maker... so in theory, if you got him just an average OL, then he potentially could look a lot better and get bad to the good habits.

And the WRs were wide open in part because Sanders first had to scramble for his life, and got on the edge and was no longer in the pocket.

Again, I don't think he was a first rounder... but from a pure talent potential perspective, I think it's hard to argue that someone with his pure talent potential shouldn't of gone in the top 3 rounds.

There was some off the field stuff that rubbed teams the wrong way.

Originally Posted by: beast 



I heard he had a poor OL. The stuff I saw he had a lot of time to throw. And the big plays were often times his WR's beating coverage or the WR making one helluva adjustment to catch the ball and then making someone miss. Will Howard seemed to put the ball in better positions more consistently and also had better footwork. The latter can be improved with practice.
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Beast I like telling YOU when you are wrong. I guess that means I know what I am doing. 😂
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