Martha Careful
5 months ago

Van Ness got a sack today. One of Packers 8 on the day.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

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The aforementioned sack was after Gary flushed him out and VanNess was being pushed way to far up field. But I will give the kid an atta-boy for that the fumble recovery.

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Zero2Cool
5 months ago
And the excuses rolling in. LaFleur admits the Packers are sacrificing the defensive ends to a certain degree to set the edge and avoid rushing lanes.
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Martha Careful
5 months ago

And the excuses rolling in. LaFleur admits the Packers are sacrificing the defensive ends to a certain degree to set the edge and avoid rushing lanes.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

That a crock.

When you go 9 technique, in addition to giving the end a better opportunity at a sack, you open up the ability for the DT to pick a side as he will have more room in the B gap. Yes they have to work in conjunction, but you linebackers have to fill at least one of the gaps anyway on a QB run unless one of the tackle play a 2 gap technique.

How stupid do they think we are.....very frustrating and VERY VERY INEFFECTIVE

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Zero2Cool
4 months ago

I wasn't aiming to give someone an excuse. I do believe he has had all off-season, all training camp, etc to master the switch. It's not like he's been doing OLB for 4 years and then on Thursday they told him Friday you're playing with hand in the dirt.

All I am saying is he's a guy who had one position, then another position as first two years. That will impact the learning curve to some degree. Maybe a lot, maybe not a lot. I'm just not going to panic ... yet.

NOT to derail this here, but Josh Myers is someone I'm panicking over. Eric Stokes. Hell, nearly that entire 2021 draft class was poo. And I'm starting to panic a bit about the 1st rounders in 2022 draft. I'm just not at panic stage over 2023 ... yet.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



When I read that Preston Smith requested a trade citing the switch from 3 - 4 (OLB) to 4 - 3 (DE) it got me thinking about this. Apparently there is a difference in OLB and DE. So much in fact that Preston wanted to be back in 3 - 4 base scheme.
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beast
4 months ago

When I read that Preston Smith requested a trade citing the switch from 3 - 4 (OLB) to 4 - 3 (DE) it got me thinking about this. Apparently there is a difference in OLB and DE. So much in fact that Preston wanted to be back in 3 - 4 base scheme.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 


I believe the bigger difference is between Hafley's scheme compared to others (including other 4-3 schemes), more than the difference between all 4-3 schemes and modern 3-4.

But generally speaking, a 3-4 OLB can start wider and a guy with length like Preston Smith, can use that to create rotational tork.

Now some 4-3 schemes can do that as well, but in Hafley's scheme, the DEs are seemingly lining up closer to the OT, which helps in the run game, but hurts in the pass game, and a power game would be more advantage, which is not Preston's style. Preston style is about length, not power.


Of course, the one major mystery is why does Van Ness suddenly suck in this scheme? His college game was largely as a power pass rushing DT... and he's athletic enough for DE, and suddenly he's struggling when his power game should be a major advantage in this scheme?

I hope Van Ness isn't getting money, getting comfortable and getting soft on us...


Though some guys don't break out until they are forced to play more, like TJ Lang. So hopefully we'll see a jump from Van Ness.


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joepacker
4 months ago
bg loves the ras.. what is the percentage of succcess rate for a ras 9 ras 8 ras 7 etc player over all and does that elliminate too many players that just get it done at game time? you know who all your coaches ,scouts,advisors and other sources like each year!.. which of these is most often right each year regardless of the ras ?
joepacker
4 months ago
adding to my last thought i remember a guy named joel bushbaum i believe who was a ordinary fanatic at rating college players
way before the ras and seemed to really know how to pick em just by watching film as everyone else in the business does..
i know that bill bellicheck really thought highly of his opinions and valued them.. maybe one of your sources is the next bushbaum
and maybe worth giving his opinion a little more weight in your final say? maybe that guy is BG i don't know?
beast
4 months ago

bg loves the ras.. what is the percentage of succcess rate for a ras 9 ras 8 ras 7 etc player over all and does that elliminate too many players that just get it done at game time? you know who all your coaches ,scouts,advisors and other sources like each year!.. which of these is most often right each year regardless of the ras ?

Originally Posted by: joepacker 


Gute is big on athletic numbers for the athletic like DBs and WRs. But not so much for linemen, even some of the TEs have a much lower RAS.
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joepacker
4 months ago
not so much emphasis on ras for the linemen
and the lines especially offensive have been the most consistently solid parts of the team as a whole the last few years..
the defense as a whole has had a high proportion of high ras and number 1 draft choices overall (as many as 7 or 8 number 1's
on one starting eleven) and yet we haven't really been able to mount a good defense in years. i know that reflects on coaching.
but still the performance of said groups of players there has been very underwhelming considering the high ras and high draft status. hopefully that may be changing now.i'm not against the ras. but it is just a number,a metric, that wows us until someone comes up with a new metric standard in the quest to pigeonhole players.like i mentioned with bushbaum. he like others stood out at picking talented players the old fashion way by watching film and somehow seeing the heart of a footballer.look in house at your own draft gamblers. who is doing the best year end and year out.i know you keep such records
Zero2Cool
3 months ago
Need this a bit more consistently.

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