Pack93z
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16 years ago
Maybe the final Sunday statements by Charles and Al.. (BTW.. Al's picture is right next to this portion of the post. 😉 ) ... had a impact on Mike McCarthy decision to clear the entire staff.


http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/01/tuesday-thoughts-coaching-changes/ 

On a personal note, the Packers terminated the contracts of some friends I worked with and next to my office was adjacent to the defensive staffs offices for several years. These were the same coaches who helped steer the team to 14 wins and an overtime away from the Super Bowl last season. These are some good coaches and solid people such as Lionel Washington, who arrived in Green Bay at the same time I did in1999, and helped develop and nurture Pro Bowlers Al Harris, Nick Collins and Charles Woodson. I have already received calls from teams asking for references on Lionel and a couple other of these men.

Some of the Packers players wanted more aggressive schemes and more input in the game plan. Coaches should not let players coach, although the way coaches manage their input which happens on every team in the league says a lot. Tactful deference to players interests, without caving in to their demands, is integral to team dynamics.


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all_about_da_packers
16 years ago
Maybe there is more to this, per JSOnline:

Not only did McCarthy rail behind closed doors against the plethora of wide-open receivers, soft run defense, lack of physical play and a slew of fourth-quarter folds, he undoubtedly was aware of unrest among the defensive coaches that started early in the season.

According to one source, Sanders and Nunn stood united in support of the scheme whereas the other coaches to various degrees advocated change.

"Sanders and Nunn wanted to do it the Bates way, that it was tried and true," the source said. "But there was another camp within the staff headed by Moss that didn't like the scheme Sanders was using. There was a lot of bitching and griping.

"They caught themselves and didn't let it continue. But the job is hard enough. It's even harder if you have to get the assistants on the same page each week."



Link 


Perhaps it wasn't just the players wanting to mix things up, but some of the coaches too; and just for the sake of the team all those involved dropped the issue when Sanders stood firm?

Perhaps Moss was someone responding to the players' suggestions?

The only odd thing is that so many position coaches would be let go. Some of them must of been on Moss' side, I mean Lionel Washington no doubt had good terms with the DBs, namely Al and Charles, but he should've been on good terms with Moss too (assuming Moss is the next DC) and they had a history back from when they both played for the LA Raiders.

I'm honestly not sure what to make of this whole situation. It's stranger and stranger trying to comprehend when you think about it more and more.
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RaiderPride
16 years ago
Sorry if this has been posted.

It is an insightful read.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/01/tuesday-thoughts-coaching-changes/ 

Edit: Do not miss reading the remarks at the bottom.
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Pack93z
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16 years ago
RP.. just combined it.. cool?

It like most of his reads.. was very worthwhile.. that site kicks the crap out of most "football" sites out there... they are becoming more popular with me than PFTalk.. or any of the other major sites out there..
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
porky88
16 years ago

Maybe there is more to this, per JSOnline:

Not only did McCarthy rail behind closed doors against the plethora of wide-open receivers, soft run defense, lack of physical play and a slew of fourth-quarter folds, he undoubtedly was aware of unrest among the defensive coaches that started early in the season.

According to one source, Sanders and Nunn stood united in support of the scheme whereas the other coaches to various degrees advocated change.

"Sanders and Nunn wanted to do it the Bates way, that it was tried and true," the source said. "But there was another camp within the staff headed by Moss that didn't like the scheme Sanders was using. There was a lot of bitching and griping.

"They caught themselves and didn't let it continue. But the job is hard enough. It's even harder if you have to get the assistants on the same page each week."

"all_about_da_packers" wrote:



Link 


Perhaps it wasn't just the players wanting to mix things up, but some of the coaches too; and just for the sake of the team all those involved dropped the issue when Sanders stood firm?

Perhaps Moss was someone responding to the players' suggestions?

The only odd thing is that so many position coaches would be let go. Some of them must of been on Moss' side, I mean Lionel Washington no doubt had good terms with the DBs, namely Al and Charles, but he should've been on good terms with Moss too (assuming Moss is the next DC) and they had a history back from when they both played for the LA Raiders.

I'm honestly not sure what to make of this whole situation. It's stranger and stranger trying to comprehend when you think about it more and more.



I've been saying that for awhile now so I hope it's true. I really think it is. I have little doubt that it was Bob Sanders' defense. Winston Moss is way to different of a coach than the more laid back Bob Sanders. I think it makes sense and based on some reports I think Winston Moss is the next defensive coordinator. I think Mike McCarthy is just waiting for Moss to hear from St. Louis.
Cheesey
16 years ago
A good coach is willing to listen to his players. I don't mean that they have to do everything the players want, but take their input and at least see if it may help. I mean, it was OBVIOUS that what was being done didn't work, so why NOT try other things.
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16 years ago

I've been saying that for awhile now so I hope it's true. I really think it is. I have little doubt that it was Bob Sanders' defense. Winston Moss is way to different of a coach than the more laid back Bob Sanders. I think it makes sense and based on some reports I think Winston Moss is the next defensive coordinator. I think Mike McCarthy is just waiting for Moss to hear from St. Louis.

"porky88" wrote:



I'd be a little surprised if he was relying on St. Louis not hiring Moss in order to have the DC he wants, but I guess it's possible.
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bozz_2006
16 years ago
Am I the only one that thinks there's no chance in hell that Moss gets hire as the HC in St. Louis?
UserPostedImage
16 years ago
Nah, I heard that he didn't get a 2nd interview offer. I would say slightly above a chance in hell, since they DID interview him.
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yooperfan
16 years ago

Am I the only one that thinks there's no chance in hell that Moss gets hire as the HC in St. Louis?

"bozz_2006" wrote:



I also think "no chance in hell".
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