Give the Defense some credit

beast
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They're built to rush the passer, so their run defense might be a bit weak, especially against teams like the Falcons that were built to run the ball (and especially when the offense keeps going 3 and out).

BUT they're pretty good at getting pass rush pressure... and these were from BEFORE the Saints game, so they might just have gotten better.

wpr
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#22

Today's win begins with shut down defense. Before the final drive that ended in a missed FG the Saints punted on all 5 possessions. They had a total of 22 plays for 54 yards on those drives.

greengold
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a year ago

#23

Today's win begins with shut down defense. Before the final drive that ended in a missed FG the Saints punted on all 5 possessions. They had a total of 22 plays for 54 yards on those drives.

Originally Posted by: wpr

Defense did play better but wasn't most of the second half against a backup QB who probably didn't have much practice with the starters?

bboystyle
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a year ago

#24

Nothing is wrong with the defense at all. It has talent across the board. Its the person who runs it that's the problem. Barry is getting carried by the talent he has. I never have and never will like his signing.

beast
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#25

Defense did play better but wasn't most of the second half against a backup QB who probably didn't have much practice with the starters?

Originally Posted by: greengold

Always an excuse to not give the defense any credit for positive things... even with the NFL rules adjusted to favor the offenses.

Originally Posted by: bboystyle

I disagree, Barry has made changes and it's partly why the pressure packages are working so well. The defense has some pretty huge talent holes especially at DB, especially with Alexander, Stokes and Valentine injured.

nerdmann
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#26

Originally Posted by: bboystyle

Remember Barry's first year they were getting plenty of stops when it mattered. They were the most consistent unit that year iirc. ST was the horrorshow thst year.

Last week the D just got worn down by heavy duty run game. This week offense controlled the clock in the third, defense had some gas left. Got a stop or two in the 4th.

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greengold
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#27

Always an excuse to not give the defense any credit for positive things...

Originally Posted by: beast

I'm hoping I'm reading that wrong, especially since my post started with "Defense did play better". Heck, they only gave up 10 points.

Far from "an excuse to not give the defense any credit", more like an asterisk tempering my enthusiasm.

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#28

I'll wait to see when they actually play an explosive offense. They play good against the bears. Let's be honest. This defense isn't gonna win us any championships. If the qb doesn't go down we would have gotten blown out.

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#29

Originally Posted by: umair_010

Based on what?

That QB put up ten points and got their lone offensive TD on a short field cuz we went for it on fourth down.

nerdmann
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#30

Originally Posted by: umair_010

Recall that defense also got to that QB so money times, dude got hurt. It's not just a coincidence.

Recall also that 7 of their points came on that punt return.

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hardrocker950
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#31

Was good to see them pull it together late in the game and get the W. Missing many starters on offense is likely part of the stagnant first half - saw some good playcall adjustments late in the game, which is something I haven't seen in quite some time.

Pass rush was very effective, secondary didn't play too bad either - especially considering we were down a couple of guys back there. I would like to see more man coverage, though. The big question still remains - will they figure out how to stop the run? I guess we will have to wait and see.

Nice to see some grit and a few guys man up - been waiting to see that for quite some time.

buckeyepackfan
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#32

Why does there almost always have to be an excuse for when The Packers win?
Here's a game fact.
From the Olave catch late in the 1st half until The Saints final drive of the game, The Saints had ZERO 1st downs.
Defense gave up 10 points! Period!

The Packers played without their #1 Rb, their(arguably) #1 Wr, their all pro Lt, their starting Lg, they lost their all pro starting ILb in the 1st half.

Nobody was using those missing parts as an excuse for The Packers.

After listening to the players comments, this team is galvanized, they have each others backs.

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beast
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#33

Why does there almost always have to be an excuse for when The Packers win?

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan

That's what I'm saying, especially when it's the defense that does well.

Packers fans in general seemed conditioned to credit the offense and blame the defense. So when the defense leads the way, the defense just gets ignored other than excuses if why it went well. Only getting attention when they fail.

The NFL has set up the rules to favor the offenses, and they basically completely ignore OL holding (especially IOL holding) unless it's obvious from the TV booth. So when the defense does well, they're already overcoming the rules and the other team.

umair_010
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#34

Based on what?

That QB put up ten points and got their lone offensive TD on a short field cuz we went for it on fourth down.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

The Saints have played better in the second half of games this season. I am happy we won and to be honest the only team that scares me on our schedule is KC. We should be able to beat Detroit.

beast
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#35

The Saints have played better in the second half of games this season.

Originally Posted by: umair_010

That's true, except when it isn't...
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I am happy we won and to be honest the only team that scares me on our schedule is KC. We should be able to beat Detroit.

Originally Posted by: umair_010

So you're scared of KC, whom are 10-1 in their last 11 meaningful games (ie not preseason), but not scared of the only team that's given them a loss in their last 11?

So the Saints having two games of playing better in the second half is somehow meaningful, but the Lions one game of beating the Chiefs is not meaningful? Why such a difference?

Lions looked pretty good against the Falcons, and the last three games between Packers and Lions, the Lions are 3-0.

Which I thought would of been the longest streak for a long time, but in 2017/2018 the Lions were 4-0 against the Packers. Before that, you have to go back to before Favre joined the team for the Lions to win 3 straight, those then did win a couple of 3 out of 4.

I'm thinking the Packers are going to need to get some injured guys back to have a chance, though it sounded as if they thought they might get some back on Sunday and didn't, so hopefully ready for Thursday.

nerdmann
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#36

Based on what?

That QB put up ten points and got their lone offensive TD on a short field cuz we went for it on fourth down.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

Sorry man, didn't mean to copy your points. 🤙its true to. 7 from ST and 7 from short field. Not bad defense.

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umair_010
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#37

That's true, except when it isn't...
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So you're scared of KC, whom are 10-1 in their last 11 meaningful games (ie not preseason), but not scared of the only team that's given them a loss in their last 11?

So the Saints having two games of playing better in the second half is somehow meaningful, but the Lions one game of beating the Chiefs is not meaningful? Why such a difference?

Lions looked pretty good against the Falcons, and the last three games between Packers and Lions, the Lions are 3-0.

Which I thought would of been the longest streak for a long time, but in 2017/2018 the Lions were 4-0 against the Packers. Before that, you have to go back to before Favre joined the team for the Lions to win 3 straight, those then did win a couple of 3 out of 4.

I'm thinking the Packers are going to need to get some injured guys back to have a chance, though it sounded as if they thought they might get some back on Sunday and didn't, so hopefully ready for Thursday.

Originally Posted by: beast

Division rival games are always more competitive even if the records are different. I do think this team has what it takes to beat the lions. If Goff chokes we got it in the bag. I'm excited to see what happens.

beast
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#38

I'll wait to see when they actually play an explosive offense.

Originally Posted by: umair_010

Well if you want to see that, just go watch them play at practice 😉

beast
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#39

Originally Posted by: umair_010

So the Packers are crap and could only beat the Saints because a backup QB... BUT the Packers are also great and can easily beat the Lions?

Where is the consistency in logic here?

Packers defense is based on pass rush dominating... currently the Lions have the best OL on the Packers schedule. Others with a top 10 OL include the Falcons and Buccaneers. So I'm guessing there will be more fire Barry talk after the Lions game as the defense will go as the opponents OL goes.

Though could be an interesting shootout if the Packers get healthy on offense.

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