Mucky Tundra
a year ago


Comes from a Bears account looking at one of their rookies but you can follow Myers easily and well, it's not good. And if you put stock into PFF grades...



I know they want continuity along the line for Loves sake but Myers has been given every chance and hasn't stepped up. It's time for ZT to go to C and put either Walker or Njiman at RT.
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a year ago


I know they want continuity along the line for Loves sake but Myers has been given every chance and hasn't stepped up. It's time for ZT to go to C and put either Walker or Njiman at RT.

Originally Posted by: Mucky Tundra 


Even if that makes the OL worse? I say you play the guys that make the OL the best.

Myers has been given chances to step up and hasn't, but so has Nijman and they keep benching Nijman. So I don't agree with change for just change sake.

Myers absolutely couldn't move that NT, and was the worst graded run blocking Center in the NFL, and was only 20th in pass blocking.

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Looking at the 4 starting NFC North Centers, he was the 2nd best.

Looking at the 12 starting NFC North IOL he was 5th best in pass blocking. Including a much better grade than LG Jenkins (those way further down than Jenkins in run blocking).

Myers doesn't have to be good, he simply has to be better than the other options. And moving Tom to Center hurts RT spot, which is probably why Tom is not listed as the backup. Runyan is. So if Myers gets benched, it might be Runyan at Center and Newman at RG.


Though, I do wonder how Runyan at Center and Myers at RG would work, maybe just at practice, to see if it helps Myers mentally.


Also, is it just me or does Myers sorta move funny in the video. Almost looks like he's trying to keep his legs short and not from sliding back too much at times, which I would think would hurt his power. And he can't move the NT, because he's not getting low enough and using power, and the NT is a decent bit shorter than him.

At minimum, give Myers 3 to 4 games.


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a year ago
I don't like the idea of moving Zack Tom. I think he's too good of a player to not have at tackle. It would be great if Sean Rhyan showed he was ready and Elgton Jenkins could move to center. That said, I don't like moving Jenkins either, but I think he is easily the best center on the team.

Someone on this site was musing about having one of the backup tackles (Rasheed Walker?) play RG so Jon Runyan could move to center. I'm not sure if Runyan would be a good center, but that seemed interesting. I also don't know if it makes sense to play any of these 6'6 - 6'8 tackles at guard. Tom seems to be the prototypical size for an interior offensive lineman, so I suppose it makes sense from that standpoint.

The best option is probably putting Royce Newman at center. (Sorry, I just had to see how many people vomit in their mouths when they read this.)

In all seriousness, a line of Bahktari, Jenkins, Runyan, Tom, and Walker is probably pretty good. So if they wanted to make a change here that seems like it might be the most logical.
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Myers will remain the starting center all season long.
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a year ago

Myers will remain the starting center all season long.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



This is what I'm expecting as well. While it's fun to think through the combinations, I'm not sure there is a guy (other than Jenkins) that they think is a true center on the team. We can talk about blocking grades and all of this, but how would Runyan or Tom do with all the responsibilities a center has? Can any of them snap consistently? We get on Myers when he as a bad snap but do we think Runyan is better at those parts of the job? Honestly, I don't know enough about offensive linemen to have a good understanding.
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This is what I'm expecting as well. While it's fun to think through the combinations, I'm not sure there is a guy (other than Jenkins) that they think is a true center on the team. We can talk about blocking grades and all of this, but how would Runyan or Tom do with all the responsibilities a center has? Can any of them snap consistently? We get on Myers when he as a bad snap but do we think Runyan is better at those parts of the job? Honestly, I don't know enough about offensive linemen to have a good understanding.

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And I agree with you. They are not moving our second best OL (Tom) to center. Moving from a premium position to a less valuable one makes no sense no matter how mad they are with Myers.
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Mucky Tundra
a year ago

Even if that makes the OL worse? I say you play the guys that make the OL the best.

Myers has been given chances to step up and hasn't, but so has Nijman and they keep benching Nijman. So I don't agree with change for just change sake.

Myers absolutely couldn't move that NT, and was the worst graded run blocking Center in the NFL, and was only 20th in pass blocking.

But
Looking at the 4 starting NFC North Centers, he was the 2nd best.

Looking at the 12 starting NFC North IOL he was 5th best in pass blocking. Including a much better grade than LG Jenkins (those way further down than Jenkins in run blocking).

Myers doesn't have to be good, he simply has to be better than the other options. And moving Tom to Center hurts RT spot, which is probably why Tom is not listed as the backup. Runyan is. So if Myers gets benched, it might be Runyan at Center and Newman at RG.


Though, I do wonder how Runyan at Center and Myers at RG would work, maybe just at practice, to see if it helps Myers mentally.


Also, is it just me or does Myers sorta move funny in the video. Almost looks like he's trying to keep his legs short and not from sliding back too much at times, which I would think would hurt his power. And he can't move the NT, because he's not getting low enough and using power, and the NT is a decent bit shorter than him.

At minimum, give Myers 3 to 4 games.

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I guess it boils down to who is better at their position, Myers at C or Nijman at RT? To that I say Nijman. He struggled at times last year against top end talent but I don't recall him getting blown up in the same fashion against bottom tier guys like Myers did Sunday. And it's not just a one game overreaction; there's been a large number of botched snaps in training camp and Myers never seemed to be on the same page with Rodgers. I thought Rodgers was being a bit of a diva/trying to get Myers up to standard but now I'm not so sure. Also, I was a little too hard on Dillon at times this past Sunday after rewatching some of those clips.

I like Runyan at one of the G positions since he seems pretty steady at it. Maybe they signed Jordan in case they need to shore up the G so Runyan can switch to C if things go south?

In a more humorous note, they did have Jenkins play at C when Linsley went out in 2020 and Bahk promptly had some false start penalties from not being used to his timing.

I don't like the idea of moving Zack Tom. I think he's too good of a player to not have at tackle. It would be great if Sean Rhyan showed he was ready and Elgton Jenkins could move to center. That said, I don't like moving Jenkins either, but I think he is easily the best center on the team.

Someone on this site was musing about having one of the backup tackles (Rasheed Walker?) play RG so Jon Runyan could move to center. I'm not sure if Runyan would be a good center, but that seemed interesting. I also don't know if it makes sense to play any of these 6'6 - 6'8 tackles at guard. Tom seems to be the prototypical size for an interior offensive lineman, so I suppose it makes sense from that standpoint.

The best option is probably putting Royce Newman at center. (Sorry, I just had to see how many people vomit in their mouths when they read this.)

In all seriousness, a line of Bahktari, Jenkins, Runyan, Tom, and Walker is probably pretty good. So if they wanted to make a change here that seems like it might be the most logical.

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Gute did say in the offseason the Packers scouting determined in the 2022 pre-draft process that ZT's best position is at C .

While Tom played his final two college seasons at left tackle, GM Brian Gutekunst mentioned over the offseason that during the pre-draft process, the Packers identified center as Tom’s best position.



Myers will remain the starting center all season long.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



I'll be shocked if he lasts the whole game this Sunday. If he's still starting by the time Halloween rolls around, then I'm gonna petition to change his first name to Michael because like the movie character we can't seem to get rid of him.

And I agree with you. They are not moving our second best OL (Tom) to center. Moving from a premium position to a less valuable one makes no sense no matter how mad they are with Myers.

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Ah, but is RT the best position for ZT? Everything I've gathered about ZT is that he could be a good RT, he could be an elite C. So I'll admit that colors my thinking quite a bit.

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a year ago

I guess it boils down to who is better at their position, Myers at C or Nijman at RT? To that I say Nijman.

Originally Posted by: Mucky Tundra 


To that I say, I think you're strongly mistaken.

Nijman had help from Rodgers setting a personal record of quickness of getting the ball out of his hand, and he only did that because he had Adams whom at times was uncoverable.

There is a reason Nijman keeps getting benched, and either the OC or OL coach, when asked about Nijman, sometimes guys rise to the challenge, sometimes they don't.

Heck, it looked like OT Walker MIGHT have passed OT Nijman on the depth chart to become OT3.

I would actually buy into this argument more if you used Walker, as he's the unknown, where Nijman keeps getting benched. They keep trying to find someone to bench Myers but can't.

And OT are much more valuable than Center, and Tom is athletic enough to stay at OT, so why make a hole

In a more humorous note, they did have Jenkins play at C when Linsley went out in 2020 and Bahk promptly had some false start penalties from not being used to his timing.

Originally Posted by: Mucky Tundra 


NICE! I couldn't remember a time Jenkins had actually played Center in the NFL.

I've been wondering why they haven't tried Jenkins at Center at all in training camp. I thought he would be the backup Center before Runyan but Runyan is the one listed as backup.


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Originally Posted by: Mucky Tundra 


I didn't say this, because it's mean and not smart, but after how absolutely horrible Hanson was last year, I was sorta wondering why are we even bringing him back.

But to be honest, this preseason, I thought Hanson might of been outplaying Newman and Rhyan before his injury. I wasn't sure if that was because Center might be a tad easier than OG, or if he was actually clearly improved and might be able to beat them. But he got released due to injury, so I assume he got an injury release which pays him for x amount of weeks, after which the 31 other teams can sign him, and the Packers have to wait 6 more weeks on top of that. But I actually wouldn't mind resigning Hanson, at least to the PS.



Gute did say in the offseason the Packers scouting determined in the 2022 pre-draft process that ZT's best position is at C .

Originally Posted by: Mucky Tundra 


People said that about Bakhtiari too pre draft (not Packers officials) but I said predraft, that I saw Tom as Bakhtiari twin... literally almost all their measurables are exactly. One had slightly longer arms, but the other slightly wider body, and so their wingspans where basically equal even.

They don't have the height people prefer, but they can pass block with the best of OTs. So they should play the more valuable position, which is OT.


I'll be shocked if he lasts the whole game this Sunday. If he's still starting by the time Halloween rolls around, then I'm gonna petition to change his first name to Michael because like the movie character we can't seem to get rid of him.

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Either you kid, or this seems strangely personal.

Let the best players play. Unless Walker is ready, then Meyers is clearly in the Packers top 5 OL right now.



Ah, but is RT the best position for ZT? Everything I've gathered about ZT is that he could be a good RT, he could be an elite C. So I'll admit that colors my thinking quite a bit.

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I think he could be the next Bakhtiari and elite pass blocker even at LT if they actually let him solely focus on OT. And better than Bakhtiari I'm the run game too.

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