nerdmann
a year ago
I look at whoever it was who demanded Cobb, a washed up player with a degenerative ankle condition get all Amari's reps, forcing him out of the lineup and resulting in him not being developed.

They didn't draft Amari for punt returns. They wanted him coming out of the backfield like Deebo.
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Zero2Cool
a year ago

KEven, did you read what I wrote?
I said fans, and then I said Rodgers (or any player). Seems you are quick to jump on what I'm saying without actually taking the time to understand what I'm saying.
I did not say YOU said fans. I was stating how fans can be quick to jump on the "fire him" bandwagon.
And that it seems that Rodgers was trying to get his way (if the whole thing is true)

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



Alan, if you think you're gonna derail the topic and then come at me for not following your attempt to derail, then you're gonna be ruffled.

I created the topic to discuss how we assign blame. I mean, I explicitly asked "how do we assign blame in the NFL?"

You got distracted by following the cited example rather than the explicit question and so that I said "We blame so easily, but where's the focus on HOW we blame?"

You then say something like "A fan demanding someone in a NFL team to get fired is worth about NOTHING", which is again not even remotely close what is being asked in this little ole topic.

So, you really have no claim about me not reading what you said when you're refusing to respond to the actual question being posed. 

Maybe third time is the charm. 🤞

The point of this silly topic is to discuss HOW we assign blame. What is the process we use? Do we just emotionally react and say FIRE'EM ALL! (I've done that before haha), do we think it through well I guess I'm ignorant to what's going on behind the scenes so just give them all 20 lashings for now.
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Zero2Cool
a year ago

I look at whoever it was who demanded Cobb, a washed up player with a degenerative ankle condition get all Amari's reps, forcing him out of the lineup and resulting in him not being developed.

They didn't draft Amari for punt returns. They wanted him coming out of the backfield like Deebo.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Okay, this is yet another person straying off the actual topic. Maybe the topic just sucks ass. 🤦‍♂️

Unreal. A topic about how we assign blame and folks right away start assigning blame without even trying to get into the subject matter. I think we're just a blame blame blame society. Maybe. 🤷‍♂️
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Zero2Cool
a year ago

Hypothetically, you can blame every decision on the top person at any organizations.   In business, that is one of the reasons they make so much...they answer for everything.

The problem in assigning blame is that we are working with imperfect information concerning imperfect people in imperfect circumstances.  Ergo, it can be very difficult to accurately assess or assign blame.

A few years back vs the Rams, when Montgomery returned a kick off from the end zone and he fumbled, who was to blame?  The player? The ST coach?  The head coach?  The GM?   Watching the game, in real time, I blamed the ST coach and head coach. 

However, I had incomplete information.   If IIRC in this particular situation, the player was told by the ST coach and HC NOT to run the ball out if goes into the end zone.  Case closed, right?

Largely....except what if those same coaches are harping all week about "making plays"!   "We need to make a play!"  So the guy tries to make a play, resulting one the dumbest expressions coaches hear "I was just trying to make a play coach!"    Arrrrgh,!!! Don't worry about making plays!!! Do your job in a manner you were taught and the plays will happen.

Now...couple that with the fact that coaches are very reluctant to throw players under the bus, so we are less likely to get full forthright information.

Placing blame isn't as easy as it seems.

So if Rodgers wanted Gute fired (which I doubt) for drafting a QB, do we really know if that is what Gute wanted.  Perhaps Murphy told him to get a QB because Rodgers was getting long in the tooth,..we will never probably never know how those discussion went.

Originally Posted by: Martha Careful 



I'm guilty of not reading this entirely through, sorry.  I meant to come back and finish, but failed. You make a good point. The coaches could be stressing to "make a play, trust your instincts" all week long and then on game day it could be reasonable to understand how a player could ignore the instruction to fair catch.

Very true, placing blame isn't as easy as it seems. That's kind of what made me pose this question/topic. I personally feel we are too quick to demand someone lose their way of financially supporting themselves and/or family. 
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Cheesey
a year ago
Kevin . How do you expect anyone to give an answer to your liking on such an open ended question?
How do we assign blame?
We each decide on our own terms.
We use predetermined hate of certain people.
We decide based on our own desires.
And I could go on and on.
I'm pretty sure you already had the answers, as you used your own thoughts to decide in your own mind to choose what you wanted to hear.
Sometimes it seems you just like to throw these kinds of threads out there so you can start something. Just what my opinion is .
To me, there are no right or wrong answers to your question in this thread. Except In a preconceived mind. Which is my point....we each choose how to put blame on ANYTHING.
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bboystyle
a year ago
It all starts from the top. I blame Murphy for only having one SB during Rodgers tenure. 
nerdmann
a year ago

Kevin . How do you expect anyone to give an answer to your liking on such an open ended question?
How do we assign blame?
We each decide on our own terms.
We use predetermined hate of certain people.
We decide based on our own desires.
And I could go on and on.
I'm pretty sure you already had the answers, as you used your own thoughts to decide in your own mind to choose what you wanted to hear.
Sometimes it seems you just like to throw these kinds of threads out there so you can start something. Just what my opinion is .
To me, there are no right or wrong answers to your question in this thread. Except In a preconceived mind. Which is my point....we each choose how to put blame on ANYTHING.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



As the smartest person I try keep up with these topics so everyone knows what to think. It's a tiresome job at times, but I try to maintain dedication.
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