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Zero2Cool
2 years ago
It appears the Packers have demoted Sammy Watkins. At least, on the depth chart anyway.  The top three WR's are Allen Lazard, Christian Watson and Randall Cobb. 2nd team is Romeo Doubs, Sammy Watkins and Samori Toure.


https://www.packers.com/team/depth-chart 
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go.pack.go.
2 years ago
Good. Watkins sucks 
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dfosterf
2 years ago
Say what you want about the front office. I really like our rookie wide receivers. I still think we could have gone about securing Watson differently and not lost that 2nd 2nd in the process, but they aren't as smart as me, or for that matter, several others here 😉 
go.pack.go.
2 years ago

Say what you want about the front office. I really like our rookie wide receivers. I still think we could have gone about securing Watson differently and not lost that 2nd 2nd in the process, but they aren't as smart as me, or for that matter, several others here 😉 

Originally Posted by: dfosterf 



I don’t think anyone dislikes our rookie receivers. They’re just….rookies. The front office went into this season thinking they would be immediate impact players and they’re not. Sure they picked up Watkins, but did anyone really expect much from him?
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Zero2Cool
2 years ago

I don’t think anyone dislikes our rookie receivers. They’re just….rookies. The front office went into this season thinking they would be immediate impact players and they’re not. Sure they picked up Watkins, but did anyone really expect much from him?

Originally Posted by: go.pack.go. 



What were you expecting the Packers to do? They paid top dollar to keep their QB happy. Their start WR wanted to play with his best friend and play where his family could see him live. They re-signed Allen Lazard to go along with Randall Cobb and the rookies. The outsider they brought in was the oft-injured underachieving Sammy Watkins. 

Injuries are part of the game, yes, but if the WR corps was healthy all season, even HALF less injuries, this WR corps is far better.  If Packers signed Christian Kirk to a four-year, $72 million contract with $37 million guaranteed, people would be bitching about that too. Even though, there's no way the Packers could have even offered that contract. 

The Packers have so much money tied into a handful of players, it has them strapped. You can't go "all-in" every single year. You have to pay the price at some point. And this season, they're paying the price. 

I'm not saying it isn't frustrating. I'm saying, we have to step back and look at the big picture instead of just hyper focusing on the lack of WR talent. You have the back to back NFL MVP. You expect him to make WR's better, not completely miss wide open WR's. I know, I know, no one wants to admit that the WR's are getting open because my gosh, we can't fault the savior Aaron Rodgers, but every week there are more and more clips showing WR's getting separation, getting open and the QB in a CLEAN pocket and hesitating. 

And who can blame 12 for hesitating? The OL is getting abused. The morons put a LG coming off ACL injury at RT. Every smart person knew that was a mistake. Yet, these coaches outsmart themselves.

Right now, I'm just glad to see Sammy with the lame hammy appear to be demoted.  

I know I said a lot here. Just don't think I'm against you. I am with you on the frustration part. But I just don't feel our WR's are the MAIN culprit (outside of Sammy Watkins).  
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2 years ago
I think all of the veteran receivers have been underwelming. 3rd down possession receivers at best. The rookies show flashes of potential but as has been said- they are rookies.
As far as Sammy goes, he's been 2nd string all season. Among WRs he's 5th in yards, targets and receptions.He was always going to be a one year rental while they waited for the youngsters to get some experience. 
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Cheesey
2 years ago
Yes, Rodgers missing wide open guys is a major problem.  I hope it's because of the thumb, and not that he's hit the "over the hill" wall.
IF it is that, then he won't be any better next season, if he doesn't retire.
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beast
2 years ago
It looked like Rodgers and Watkins were clearly on different pages at times and from the Kurt Warner video, it looks awfully like Watkins was running clearly wrong routes to what the rest of the team was doing.

As for people complaining about management, other just being mad the season is bad... I think the biggest complaints are draft picks from previous drafts not panning out....

Especially with the focus on OL and Defense, with a ton of high picks and our team doesn't nessarily look like they had high picks there.
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Zero2Cool
2 years ago

It looked like Rodgers and Watkins were clearly on different pages at times and from the Kurt Warner video, it looks awfully like Watkins was running clearly wrong routes to what the rest of the team was doing.

As for people complaining about management, other just being mad the season is bad... I think the biggest complaints are draft picks from previous drafts not panning out....

Especially with the focus on OL and Defense, with a ton of high picks and our team doesn't nessarily look like they had high picks there.

Originally Posted by: beast 



This is where I challenge folks to think about the entire draft, not just Packers. How many times do we say wow Packers hit on that draft class, but guess what, the class itself was stout. It goes same way when the class itself is crap, well, so will the Packers. 

Yes, Sammy Watkins is good for one thing and one thing only. That is go routes. Any post or comeback or curl or slant ... nope. He doesn't know how to cross the face or get over top when needed or cut under on in routes.
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beast
2 years ago

This is where I challenge folks to think about the entire draft, not just Packers. How many times do we say wow Packers hit on that draft class, but guess what, the class itself was stout. It goes same way when the class itself is crap, well, so will the Packers. 

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 


For defense going into the offseason, my biggest issues where
1) Not getting DT Clark more help (which they did)

2) Lack of Safety depth and not being able to move Savage around (which they did not address during the offseason, but in season have done a couple of good pickups and now there is depth).

3) Did we release the wrong OLB Williams? (Currently it seems so)

4) Need more OLB depth with releasing one of the OLBers (Engbare seem like a keeper)

5) Play caller (which now seems like the only huge issue with me).


So I don't have that much of an issue  with the defense.


On offense, Gute has had some big misses...

We can can't seem to fix the TE/large slot role which is absolutely huge in this offense and why they kept trying to trade for TE Waller. But sorta seems like two 3rd round picks and misses right there at TE. Three 3rd if you count WR Rodgers was supposed to be a versatile tweener WR/RB and they use TEs in versatile roles.

And OL, Myers and Newman had clearly better OL picked with the very next OL pick. 


So I think we need a better defensive play caller, and some better OL, TE and large slot WR evaluators...

​​​​​​​Though, I am wondering with time if maybe Doubs could be that large slot WR role. He's got the route running. Lazard and Watson on the outside.
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beast (2h) : I was rooting for the Bears to win and hurt their draft pick status
Zero2Cool (2h) : Forgot there was even a game last night haha
TheKanataThrilla (2h) : That was terrible.
TheKanataThrilla (2h) : Watching that game in its entirety yesterday is proof positive that I am a football addict.
beast (2h) : And horrible time management multiple times... and not being able to score more than 3 points on a team with talent
beast (2h) : Realizing the Bears didn't fix it from the previous week and do the same thing, getting the game to overtime
beast (2h) : They probably are not tanking, but they've absolutely mismanagement some things, such as Vikings seeing the Packers blocked FG and realizing
Zero2Cool (3h) : Crazy of Bears to have that mindset that is
Zero2Cool (4h) : Hail Mary stop away from 5 - 2. Not sure how that flips to tanking. Crazy mindset if true
beast (4h) : I've quietly questioned if Bears are tanking on purpose... they suddenly got a lot worse with some simple concepts like 101 clock management
wpr (6h) : Watching bares fans melt down over how putrid their team is, so enjoyable. It's the gift that keeps on giving.
Mucky Tundra (14h) : The Seattle Seahawks defeat the Chicago Bears 6-3. Jason Myers had 6 RBIs for Seattle while Cairo Santos had 3 RBI for Chicago
beast (15h) : Not nessarily, he might of been injured either way. He's playing about 50% of the games the last 4 years
Zero2Cool (21h) : If they'd been more patient with him, he'd be back already. Putting him out there vs Bears caused him to tweak it and here we are.
packerfanoutwest (21h) : well this is his last season with the PAck, book it
beast (22h) : Sounds like no Alexander (again), I'm wondering if his time with the Packers is done
Zero2Cool (26-Dec) : Could ban beast and I still don't think anyone catches him.
Mucky Tundra (26-Dec) : Houston getting dog walked by Baltimore
packerfanoutwest (25-Dec) : Feliz Navidad!
Zero2Cool (25-Dec) : Merry Christmas!
beast (25-Dec) : Merry Christmas 🎄🎁
beast (24-Dec) : Sounds like no serious injuries from the Saints game and Jacobs and Watson should play in the Vikings game
packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : both games Watson missed, Packers won
Martha Careful (24-Dec) : I hope all of you have a Merry Christmas!
Mucky Tundra (24-Dec) : Oh I know about Jacobs, I just couldn't pass up an opportunity to mimic Zero lol
buckeyepackfan (24-Dec) : Jacobs was just sat down, Watson re-injured that knee that kept him out 1 game earlier
buckeyepackfan (24-Dec) : I needed .14 that's. .14 points for the whole 4th quarter to win and go to the SB. Lol
Mucky Tundra (24-Dec) : Jacobs gonna be OK???
Zero2Cool (24-Dec) : Watson gonna be OK???
packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : Inactives tonight for the Pack: Alexander- knee Bullard - ankle Williams - quad Walker -ankle Monk Heath
packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : No Jaire, but hopefully the front 7 destroys the line of scrimmage & forces Rattler into a few passes to McKinney.
packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : minny could be #1 seed and the Lions #5 seed
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : We'd have same Division and Conference records. Strength of schedule we edge them
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I just checked. What tie breaker?
bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes its possible but unlikely. If we do get the 5th, we face the NFCS winner
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Ahh, ok.
bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes due to tie breaker
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I mean, unlikely, yes, but mathematically, 5th is possible by what I'm reading.
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : If Vikings lose out, Packers win out, Packers get 5th, right?
bboystyle (23-Dec) : Minny isnt going to lose out so 5th seed is out of the equation. We are playing for the 6th or 7th seed which makes no difference
Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : beast, the ad revenue goes to the broadcast company but they gotta pay to air the game on their channel/network
beast (23-Dec) : If we win tonight the game is still relative in terms of 5th, 6th or 7th seed... win and it's 5th or 6th, lose and it's 6th or 7th
beast (23-Dec) : Mucky, I thought the ad revenue went to the broadcasting companies or the NFL, at least not directly
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I think the revenue share is moot, isn't it? That's the CBA an Salary Cap handling that.
bboystyle (23-Dec) : i mean game becomes irrelevant if we win tonight. Just a game where we are trying to play spoilers to Vikings chance at the #1 seed
Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : beast, I would guess ad revenue from more eyes watching tv
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I would think it would hurt the home team because people would have to cancel last minute maybe? i dunno
beast (23-Dec) : I agree that it's BS for fans planning on going to the game. But how does it bring in more money? I'm guessing indirectly?
packerfanoutwest (23-Dec) : bs on flexing the game....they do it for the $$league$$, not the hometown fans
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I see what you did there Mucky
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