longtimefan
16 years ago
Saw this on the espn boards and normally do not pay any really attentiuon to the noodle that posted it, but it gives a little more beef to last year and this year



Last year the Packer opponents were a combined 98-110. In fact, the Packers only played 4 winning teams. Of those teams, 2 were on losing streaks when they played. As for the others, they beat the Redskins and lost to Dallas. 7 of the teams they played had a losing record. They faced a team with a losing record 9 times.

This year the Packer opponents were a combined 110-98. The Packers played 8 teams with a winning record and only 3 had a losing record. They faced a team with a losing record 4 times and a team with a winning record 10 times.

This year the Jet opponents were a combined 91-116. In fact, the Jets only played 4 teams with a winning record. 7 of the teams they played had a losing record. They faced a team with a losing record 8 times and a team with a winning record 6 times.




Something I have not heard was schedule from last year to this and this sort of makes sense too
Nonstopdrivel
16 years ago
I posted these exact stats in another thread on this forum, but I am too lazy to do a search at the moment. But yes, it is an eye opener.
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Rockmolder
16 years ago
It might be somewhat of an eye-opener, but you don't just go to 13-3.

We got close to beating Dallas, we shut-out Minnesota, We beat Washington, we beat Philly... We even beat the Seahawks in the play-offs by quite a margin and we came close to beating the SB champion NYG while they where already on their hot streak.

I know where this thread is going, but I'm going to blame this on the decline of the O-line and D-line. Where our D-line was our absolute strength on defense last year, it's the biggest liability this year and the O-line is obviously declining. Quarterbacking was very good in both cases.
longtimefan
16 years ago

It might be somewhat of an eye-opener, but you don't just go to 13-3.

We got close to beating Dallas, we shut-out Minnesota, We beat Washington, we beat Philly... We even beat the Seahawks in the play-offs by quite a margin and we came close to beating the SB champion NYG while they where already on their hot streak.

I know where this thread is going, but I'm going to blame this on the decline of the O-line and D-line. Where our D-line was our absolute strength on defense last year, it's the biggest liability this year and the O-line is obviously declining. Quarterbacking was very good in both cases.

"Rockmolder" wrote:



Not what I was intending..

there are many factors to this past season, and this happens to be a valid one I think

Harder schedule this year compared to that of last year
Rockmolder
16 years ago

It might be somewhat of an eye-opener, but you don't just go to 13-3.

We got close to beating Dallas, we shut-out Minnesota, We beat Washington, we beat Philly... We even beat the Seahawks in the play-offs by quite a margin and we came close to beating the SB champion NYG while they where already on their hot streak.

I know where this thread is going, but I'm going to blame this on the decline of the O-line and D-line. Where our D-line was our absolute strength on defense last year, it's the biggest liability this year and the O-line is obviously declining. Quarterbacking was very good in both cases.

"longtimefan" wrote:



Not what I was intending..

there are many factors to this past season, and this happens to be a valid one I think

Harder schedule this year compared to that of last year

"Rockmolder" wrote:



Oh, I didn't mean it like that, I think you just want to put down a thread looking at where it went wrong between this years and this is indeed a pretty good reason.... all the threads seem to have the same outcome though, which I'm also adding to now.

Lets just try to keep this one on topic and keep going.
longtimefan
16 years ago
Common opponents

Vikings 2-0 in 07
1-1 in 08

Bears 0-2 in 07
1-1 in 08

Lions 2-0 in 07
2-0 in 08


Cowboys both L

Seattle both W

Carolina 1-1

so for those 9 games last year they went 6-3

This year they went 5-4 in those 9 games
Greg C.
16 years ago
More than half of the difference in opponents' records between 2007 and 2008 can be accounted for by the Packers themselves. Take away the Packers' 13-3 record last year and you can see that opponents were 95-97 against the rest of the league. Take away the Packers' 6-10 record this year and you can see that opponents were 100-92 against the rest of the league. That's only a five-game difference. Significant but not huge.

All the stuff about opponents with winning records vs. opponents with losing records is just statistical manipulation, because it makes no distinction, for example, between a 7-9 team and an 0-16 team. The combined win-loss record of all opponents is the number that really matters.

I do agree that the schedule was tougher this year, but I think it was a relatively minor factor in the disappointing season.
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longtimefan
16 years ago
while it might be the minimal factor, I believe it is a factor..

There are a ton of teams that make the CG one year, then the following year they miss playoffs.

I did a break down of those teams a few weeks back, and out of around 10 of them, only ONE had any change at q/b and most had same key parts

So for those teams that did not have to deal with any key losses they still ended up like the packers...and the one key element was the strength of the teams they played
Greg C.
16 years ago

while it might be the minimal factor, I believe it is a factor..

There are a ton of teams that make the CG one year, then the following year they miss playoffs.

I did a break down of those teams a few weeks back, and out of around 10 of them, only ONE had any change at q/b and most had same key parts

So for those teams that did not have to deal with any key losses they still ended up like the packers...and the one key element was the strength of the teams they played

"longtimefan" wrote:



What about injuries? I would expect that to be a much bigger factor than strength of schedule. I think luck is a big factor as well, although sometimes it is taboo to admit it. And there are a lot of intangibles, like whether a team develops good chemistry. It seems to vary a lot from year to year, even when there aren't a lot of personnel changes. A team might win most of its close games on year, then lose most of them the next year. And often you can't put your finger on why things changed.

I do think the Packers could be a contender again next year without too many roster changes. Things just went sour for them this year.
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longtimefan
16 years ago



So for those teams that did not have to deal with any key losses

"Greg C." wrote:



What about injuries? .

"longtimefan" wrote:



You mean key losses?

LOL

From what i recall I looked at the q/b rb,wr and defense stats from year they made it to the next year when they missed.

those all remained the same cept for Vikc when he broke his leg.

but I thought we couldnt use injuries for an excuse this year?
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