Gravedigga
15 years ago

defense is as good if not better

"go.pack.go." wrote:



You're kidding, right? The Jets defense is way better than ours.

"Gravedigga" wrote:



Agreed, WAY better by 1.6 points per game. Huge!!
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longtimefan
15 years ago

defense is as good if not better

"Gravedigga" wrote:



You're kidding, right? The Jets defense is way better than ours.

"go.pack.go." wrote:



Agreed, WAY better by 1.6 points per game. Huge!!

"Gravedigga" wrote:




Grav what your doing is taking ALL points allowed..Which is including Bretts int for tds s/t returns for tds and fumble returns for tds


You have to just take the rushing and passing tds and fg


Packers DEFENSE gave up 20 rushing tds, the Jets DEFENSE gave up 10 rushing tds

Packers DEFENSE gave up 22 passing tds, the Jets DEFENSE gave up 23 passing tds

Packers allowed 25 fg or 75 points


Jets allowed 25 fg or 75 points


So Packers DEFENSE gave up 42 tds or 297 points + 75 in fg for total of 372 points by the DEFENSE = 23 points per game

Jets DEFENSE gave up 33 tds or 231 points + 75 fg points= 306 total points or 19 points per game



Now 4 more points then the Jets is much more then the 1.6 you been claiming
Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
4 points is eerily similar to the margin by which we lost so many games this season.
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longtimefan
15 years ago

4 points is eerily similar to the margin by which we lost so many games this season.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



Never thought of that
Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
So here are Rodgers' end-of-season statistics compared to the all-time greats in their fourth season, as provided by longtimefan.

QUARTERBACK   YARDS   TDS   INTS   RATING   COMP %
Aikman        3445     23    14     89.5     63.8
Moon          2806     21    21     74.2     50.0
Kelly         3130     25    18     86.2     58.3
Cunningham    3808     24    16     77.6     53.8
Montana       3565     19    12     88.4     63.7
Elway         3485     19    13     79.0     55.6
P. Manning    4131     26    23     84.1     62.7
Brady         3630     23    12     85.9     60.2
Marino        4746     44    23     92.5     60.7
Favre         3882     33    14     90.7     62.4

Rodgers       4038     28    13     93.8     63.6

As we can see, Rodgers has the highest quarterback rating (beating Marino by a full 1.3), second-highest completion percentage (Aikman's was 0.2% higher), second-fewest interceptions (Montana had 1 fewer), third-highest passing yardage (only P. Manning and Marino had more), and third-most TD passes (only Marino and Favre had more).

Rodgers obviously stacks up very well against these HOF greats.

Unfortunately, these statistical comparisons are worthless, in my opinion, because they utterly fail to take into consideration at least three key factors: 1) How many starts did these QBs have entering their fourth season (Rodgers had none -- P. Manning had at least 48); 2) how good were the running games and defenses these QBs had (Matt Ryan has a better record than Aaron Rodgers this season, despite throwing half the TDs, largely because Atlanta has the #2 running game in the league); and 3) how these statistics compared to the league overall that season (e.g., Rodgers' TD count this season is 4th in the league).

If we can compile these comparisons, it will make these statistics far more valuable.
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longtimefan
15 years ago
To me if a q/b has more starts, IT should mean that he is more experienced and should have better numbers..

But that isnt the case here


Aikman 92 
5th in rushing, 5th in scoring allowed ( won SB )

Moon in 87 
14th in rushing, 19th in scoring allowed

Jim Kelly in 89 
3rd in rushing, 14th in scoring allowed

Cunningham in 88
17th in rushing, 14th in scoring allowed

Montana in 82
28th in rushing, 23rd in scoring allowed

Elway in 86
20th in rushing, 15th in  scoring allowed

Manning in 2001
7th in rushing, 31st in scoring allowed

Brady in 2003
27th in rushing, 1st in scoring allowed

Marino in 86
25th in rushing,  26th in scoring allowed

Brett in 94
19th in rushing, 5th in scoring allowed

Rodgers in 2008
17th in rushing, 22nd in scoring allowed
WhiskeySam
15 years ago

3) how these statistics compared to the league overall that season (e.g., Rodgers' TD count this season is 4th in the league).

If we can compile these comparisons, it will make these statistics far more valuable.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



For that last comparison you'll want to look at his ratios as well as the straight counting stats. This is what I was getting into on the thread in the Favre section. Rodgers this year threw a TD on 4.9% of his attempts. The league average was 3.9. He finished behind Rivers, Brees, Romo, Warner, and Tarvaris Jackson (only 7 games). His 2.4 INT% was better than the league average of 2.8, but puts him in the middle of the top TD% QBs. Roughly 5th in TD%, but roughly 10th in INT%. Good start with room for improvement especially in those shootouts where the last team with the ball wins. If he can shore up his performance there and start pulling out some of these games in spite of the defense, he'll take his place among the elite QBs of today. To even begin discussing him with the all-time greats, he's going to need to perform at that level for at least 5-7 years.
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zombieslayer
15 years ago
Keep in mind how good his stats would be if Ted Thompson would get him an OL.

Take a look at his sack totals. They're pretty high compared to other QBs. He's 7th in total sacks.

I know earlier in the season, he was holding the ball too long so it was partly his fault but as the season progressed, he stopped doing that and developed a much faster release and more "pocket awareness."
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Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
Rodgers was also instructed by the coaching staff to take sacks rather than attempt to force plays and risk interceptions. His higher sack numbers were expected this season.
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macbob
15 years ago

So here are Rodgers' end-of-season statistics compared to the all-time greats in their fourth season, as provided by longtimefan.

QUARTERBACK   YARDS   TDS   INTS   RATING   COMP %
Aikman        3445     23    14     89.5     63.8
Moon          2806     21    21     74.2     50.0
Kelly         3130     25    18     86.2     58.3
Cunningham    3808     24    16     77.6     53.8
Montana       3565     19    12     88.4     63.7
Elway         3485     19    13     79.0     55.6
P. Manning    4131     26    23     84.1     62.7
Brady         3630     23    12     85.9     60.2
Marino        4746     44    23     92.5     60.7
Favre         3882     33    14     90.7     62.4

Rodgers       4038     28    13     93.8     63.6

As we can see, Rodgers has the highest quarterback rating (beating Marino by a full 1.3), second-highest completion percentage (Aikman's was 0.2% higher), second-fewest interceptions (Montana had 1 fewer), third-highest passing yardage (only P. Manning and Marino had more), and third-most TD passes (only Marino and Favre had more).

Rodgers obviously stacks up very well against these HOF greats.

Unfortunately, these statistical comparisons are worthless, in my opinion, because they utterly fail to take into consideration at least three key factors: 1) How many starts did these QBs have entering their fourth season (Rodgers had none -- P. Manning had at least 48); 2) how good were the running games and defenses these QBs had (Matt Ryan has a better record than Aaron Rodgers this season, despite throwing half the TDs, largely because Atlanta has the #2 running game in the league); and 3) how these statistics compared to the league overall that season (e.g., Rodgers' TD count this season is 4th in the league).

If we can compile these comparisons, it will make these statistics far more valuable.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



I agree that the best comparison would be comparing each to league stats overall for each of their seasons, but even then I'm not sure you'll get a meaningful comparison.

For a true comparison, you need to know how would Rodgers have performed under similar circumstances. Supporting cast (OL, receivers, etc) differences may make any of these comparisons void. Take Brady last year--would his stats have been as good without Moss??? Would Montana's have been as good without Rice??? I don't think so.
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