Packers: How much will re-signing Robert Tonyan cost?

wpr
Preferred Member Topic Starter

3 years ago

After a career-year, Robert Tonyan became one of Aaron Rodgers' most trusted targets in the Green Bay Packers offense. Now Tonyan becomes a restricted free agent, leaving the Packers with a decision to make. After catching 11 touchdowns in 2020 and making a huge impact for the Packers, it would be a huge surprise if

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As soon as they clear enough cap space I can see Gute making a 2nd round offer of $2.38 mil. Big Bob was pretty valuable this past year but if they can get a #2 for him they will take it and run. They would look for the other TEs to step up and fill the gap.

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beast
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3 years ago

Yeah they're not gonna get a 2nd for him, as some team would have to give up a 2nd and a large contract to sign Tonyan, not happening.

In fact, I wonder if they could keep him with the original round cheaper tender. They might, but it's probably not worth the risk. Especially since another good year and he might get the Packers a Comp pick.

Zero2Cool
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3 years ago

Is he even needed?

Cheesey
Preferred Member

3 years ago

Is he even needed?

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

Yeah.....who needs him and Jones? Just because both are proven excellent players that made huge plays last season.
Great players are a dime a dozen!
Just draft guys to replace them.
After all, the new guys will be up to speed in 2 or 3 years.....about the time Rodgers rides off into the sunset. And they might be even half as talented as the guys we are letting walk.🤷‍♂️🙄🤐

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

3 years ago

Originally Posted by: Cheesey

Aaron Jones is proven, but why bring him up? I asked about Tonyan. And Tonyan had one good year. We have at least two draft picks at TE that are on rookie deals yet. The cost of bringing Tonyan back vs the two recently drafted TE's value is where I'm thinking.

beast
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3 years ago

Is he even needed?

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

Technically, no single player is needed... though it seems Tom Brady helps 🤔

But Tonyan is solid and did a great job maximuming his chances with limited mistakes.

Plus who else we got?

Mercedes Lewis is a FA, and not as good in the receiving game.

Dugara has only played one to three games in the NFL and while he looked like a great H-Back blocker, he got injured in very little NFL time.

Sternberger looked like a dud last year (though sometimes it takes TEs 3 or 4 years to develop).

Daffney looked good, though more of an H-Back only role, don't remember see him at true TE much.

But sure, in theory we could let Tonyan go and sign TE Jared Cook, though Cook might be even more expensive than Tonyan.

wpr
Preferred Member Topic Starter

3 years ago

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

While Tonyan, Sternberger and Deguara are all TEs in name they have different duties in the offense scheme. Throw Dominique Dafney into the mix as well. I am not smart enough to tell you what the responsibilities for each of them is in detail. For example Sternberger will line up in the slot over half of the time while Deguara lines up next to the OT or as the H back. Can we get by without Tonyan? Sure but will the offense be better with him? Yes.

The point to offering him the 2nd round money is because other teams will not want to sign him at that cost. If the Packers go with the lowest offer, it's more likely someone else comes in with a higher offer.

earthquake
Member

3 years ago

Yeah, I think given the importance of TEs in this scheme, the 2nd round tender could make some sense for Tonyan. He had a good year and it's not a significant price to pay for a starting TE. For context, the 16 highest paid TE has an average contract value of about $5m, while the 2nd round tender is $3.26m, so we're talking about below-average starter money. The original round tender is $2.13m, so a difference of a little over 1.1m. They get no compensation if they give him the original round tender and another team snatches him up, since he was an UDFA.

They could save a bit by using the original round tender but that has some risk to it of course. Though with the cap situation this year, I'm not sure how they would feel about the extra cost for the 2nd round tender. They may not think it's worth it. The flip side is a lot of other teams have cap issues and may not have the cash to throw at an oft-injured UDFA TE who has only had one good season in a TE-friendly offense. It's hard to say and probably depends somewhat on what they do with restructuring and/or releasing other players. But I would expect the Packers' front office has a good bead on this, so if they give him the original round tender, it's likely low risk.

I could see them signing him to something like a 2 or 3 year deal to spread the cap hit over later years too.

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Zero2Cool
Elite Member

3 years ago

I like Tonyan. I just don't think the money is best spent on him. I value Allen Lazard more, for example. I value adding OL depth more. I think we can get similar production from other TE on the roster already.

If we had a normal salary cap, it wouldn't be a question for me at all. Toss a third or second round tender at him. Maybe even a first.

earthquake
Member

3 years ago

#10

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

I was going to suggest a lower round tender than a second as well, but then I looked into it and it seems like only first, second, and original rounder tenders are the options available. Unless I'm missing something here.

Lazard is another guy that might warrant a second round tender. Or not, it will be interesting to see what happens. I haven't really spent much time looking into it but I can't remember these sort of UDFAs getting high tenders from the packers in the past.

I just looked up what they did with Sam Shields in 2013, this was coming off a 10 game, 8 start season for him when it looked like he might be a good option for one of the starting corner positions, they gave him a 2nd round tender before signing him to a 4 year deal the next season. Lazard and Tonyan could be in similar situations.

I would feel better about offering Tonyan a lower tender than a second if Jace Sternberger had shown more promise/didn't have the issues with concusions. I'm not sure if he'll ever work out. As WPR mentioned I don't think Josiah Deguara, who is more of an Hback, really plays the same position. So if they don't get Tonyan, we're looking at replacing his production with Dominique Dafney, a draft pick, another UDFA, or maybe a veteran FA (who won't cost much less than a second round tender, probably).

All that said I tend to agree, this year with the low cap I don't think it's the end of the world if they don't sign him, but I'm guessing they find a way to work it out.

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