Cheesey
16 years ago
Some seem to want to put it all on Rodgers, like he totally stinks, and thats not true. Yes, he has not been perfect, but for a first year guy he's done well in my view.
Favre didn't always "save the day" when he was here. He made more then his share of bonehead plays.
Remember......he not only leads the NFL all time in TD passes, but in INT's too.
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dhazer
16 years ago

Believe it or not, I actually agree with dhazer on this point. The comparison is fair because Rodgers is the quarterback management decided to put on the field this year. Therefore, it makes sense to compare his output with that of the options that were available to management, regardless of how much experience they may or may not have had.

"Cheesey" wrote:


Well then, if you want to DO that, compare Favre's stats versus Rodger's stats.
All the rest of what happens falls on the rest of the TEAM, doesn't it?

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:




I'm talking about the final 5 minutes of a game and Rodgers hasnt done much to prove he has the it factor, I was going to do Favre from last year because they have the same wrs and rbs and pretty much same o-line. But you complained about the experience Brett has so i would do Cassell because both him and Rodgers have been in there system for a few years to learn it. I guess no matter what you won't admit Rodgers doesn't have it in the final 5 minutes of a game. But i'll do them stats this week just out of curiosity for others. Because honestly i have no clue what they will look like. And btw just cuz i'm not sold on Rodgers how does that make me a Favre lover? Hell i would be happy to have Graham Harrell in Green Bay.
Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)
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dfosterf
16 years ago

Believe it or not, I actually agree with dhazer on this point. The comparison is fair because Rodgers is the quarterback management decided to put on the field this year. Therefore, it makes sense to compare his output with that of the options that were available to management, regardless of how much experience they may or may not have had.

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Oh, Jesus H. Christ... N You have NO IDEA what a HUGE can of worms you just opened up. D would have been JUST FINE in the ammo department with the article I told him to go get tattooed on his ass.

NOW ... You go and reinforce the young man...Ahhh, fellas, we are all in for another fresh dose of DH doo-doo....

I am TOTALLY kidding here, btw.

:thumbleft:

P.S. Dhaze-- I went to your myspace link and it works perfectly fine, nice flicks. I posted that in live chat, but everyone was so busy whining about one play or the other, I suspect you might have missed it, plus I think you were doing your incognito shit again. And thanks again for all the help,,,both you DH and Nonstop. I actually know wtf I'm doing there now (well, sorta)
TexasPackerFan
16 years ago

Believe it or not, I actually agree with dhazer on this point. The comparison is fair because Rodgers is the quarterback management decided to put on the field this year. Therefore, it makes sense to compare his output with that of the options that were available to management, regardless of how much experience they may or may not have had.

"dhazer" wrote:


Well then, if you want to DO that, compare Favre's stats versus Rodger's stats.
All the rest of what happens falls on the rest of the TEAM, doesn't it?

"Cheesey" wrote:




I'm talking about the final 5 minutes of a game and Rodgers hasnt done much to prove he has the it factor, I was going to do Favre from last year because they have the same wrs and rbs and pretty much same o-line. But you complained about the experience Brett has so i would do Cassell because both him and Rodgers have been in there system for a few years to learn it. I guess no matter what you won't admit Rodgers doesn't have it in the final 5 minutes of a game. But i'll do them stats this week just out of curiosity for others. Because honestly i have no clue what they will look like. And btw just cuz i'm not sold on Rodgers how does that make me a Favre lover? Hell i would be happy to have Graham Harrell in Green Bay.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



+1 this is what I've been trying to say. We may be #1 in the NFL in 4th quater scoring but I'm wonder after the 2min warning. Also does anyone have Rodgers stats during the the last 2mins when we're down and a need a score to win.

I like Rodgers and I think he's gonna be an awesome QB but he's gotta be able to close out a game in the last few mins of a game when we're down. Sure our D put us in that spot and it sucks that it then becomes up to him to save the game but that's part of the job as starting QB.

Our D is simply killing us this season but so many of our loses have been within reach in the last few mins of the 4th we just can't get it done on offense.
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packedhouse02
16 years ago
We are what we are. Let's pack it in and great ready for next season, because this one is now history. Now we begin to play for draft choices. Ted Thompson w/o doubt is going to have to go out and get himself some defensive players because this is the most pathetic defense I've ever seen. It's putrid. And the problem is, Sanders isn't the guy to make anyone better. It's not even fun to watch this team.
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brnt247
16 years ago
Personally, I've probably had more fun watching this team this season than last. Certainly the outcomes aren't as fun and the following 6 days are crappy when I think about football, but every game is close and suspenseful.
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Nonstopdrivel
16 years ago
I like your attitude. +1
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Nonstopdrivel
16 years ago
Fuck it, +2 just for being a good sport.
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bozz_2006
16 years ago

Believe it or not, I actually agree with dhazer on this point. The comparison is fair because Rodgers is the quarterback management decided to put on the field this year. Therefore, it makes sense to compare his output with that of the options that were available to management, regardless of how much experience they may or may not have had.

"TexasPackerFan" wrote:


Well then, if you want to DO that, compare Favre's stats versus Rodger's stats.
All the rest of what happens falls on the rest of the TEAM, doesn't it?

"dhazer" wrote:




I'm talking about the final 5 minutes of a game and Rodgers hasnt done much to prove he has the it factor, I was going to do Favre from last year because they have the same wrs and rbs and pretty much same o-line. But you complained about the experience Brett has so i would do Cassell because both him and Rodgers have been in there system for a few years to learn it. I guess no matter what you won't admit Rodgers doesn't have it in the final 5 minutes of a game. But i'll do them stats this week just out of curiosity for others. Because honestly i have no clue what they will look like. And btw just cuz i'm not sold on Rodgers how does that make me a Favre lover? Hell i would be happy to have Graham Harrell in Green Bay.

"Cheesey" wrote:



+1 this is what I've been trying to say. We may be #1 in the NFL in 4th quater scoring but I'm wonder after the 2min warning. Also does anyone have Rodgers stats during the the last 2mins when we're down and a need a score to win.

I like Rodgers and I think he's gonna be an awesome QB but he's gotta be able to close out a game in the last few mins of a game when we're down. Sure our D put us in that spot and it sucks that it then becomes up to him to save the game but that's part of the job as starting QB.

Our D is simply killing us this season but so many of our loses have been within reach in the last few mins of the 4th we just can't get it done on offense.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



there have been many times when we've been down in the 4th quarter and needed a score to win. And Rodgers has delivered numerous times. Then our defense takes the field....
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bozz_2006
16 years ago
Also, I'm about the last person to call for a scapegoat, but i think Sanders is gone. not as a scapegoat, but because he just can't cut it. period. scheming, gameplanning, and out-thinking the other teams coaches is important. you have to have a great group of players to overcome a coach who can't cut it. i think our players are decent. some are great. many are adequate. but, they can't overcome sanders' inability to outsmart the other teams' coaches. Sanders is done in GB
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