Zero2Cool
4 years ago

How?

Why are the lives of people who, statistically speaking, would probably have died in the next year or two anyway more important than the people who will die of hunger (WHO estimates over a million children will starve this year due to the lockdowns), heart attacks (they spike during periods of unemployment), and suicide (ditto)? Over 100,000 small businesses have closed permanently since the lockdowns got underway. Why are the lives of people with multiple comorbidities more important than the futures of countless young people?

My favorite statistic to come out of this pandemic: In Italy, the death rate from the disease has ranged from 0.02 percent among people in their 40s to around 15 percent among people older than 90. Do you know what the statistical risk of death from any a cause within the next 365 days for a nonagenarian is? More than 15 percent. This damn virus is less likely to kill you than the mere fact of being alive.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



My favorite is how people think surviving the virus means there are no other effects after you've "survived" it. Winning!
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Cheesey
4 years ago

My favorite is how people think surviving the virus means there are no other effects after you've "survived" it. Winning!

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



First, thank you Dr.Nsd for your post. It sums up perfectly the way some here think.

Zero, some of the “effects” are businesses being closed permanently, and those jobs lost forever. The people who desperately needed those jobs to support themselves and their families. And how many more will have the same thing happen if the country stays on shutdown?
Just how long is long enough? It’s been 2 months. How long is long enough? 3 months, 4? A year?
How long can the world survive?
We have survived other pandemics. Fear is a controlling thing. “The sky is falling!!!”
Or “global warming! We’re all gonna fry!!!”
40 years ago all I heard in school was “the next ice age is coming! We’re all gonna FREEZE!”
Now, this pandemic is REAL. I’m not poo-pooing it. All I’m saying is to let people decide if, now after 2 months, if they want to come out.
I myself didnt hang out in bars before the pandemic, and I have no desire to start now. I still will be careful when I go out. I wear a mask, and try not to get too close to others. I think common sense should be used.
Other then what I just stated, I haven’t changed my routine that much. At this point, let people decide for themselves just how much they want to return to normal.
Many people have jobs that allow them to work from home. But the majority don’t have that luxury.
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Zero2Cool
4 years ago

First, thank you Dr.Nsd for your post. It sums up perfectly the way some here think.

Zero, some of the “effects” are businesses being closed permanently, and those jobs lost forever. The people who desperately needed those jobs to support themselves and their families. And how many more will have the same thing happen if the country stays on shutdown?
Just how long is long enough? It’s been 2 months. How long is long enough? 3 months, 4? A year?
How long can the world survive?
We have survived other pandemics. Fear is a controlling thing. “The sky is falling!!!”
Or “global warming! We’re all gonna fry!!!”
40 years ago all I heard in school was “the next ice age is coming! We’re all gonna FREEZE!”
Now, this pandemic is REAL. I’m not poo-pooing it. All I’m saying is to let people decide if, now after 2 months, if they want to come out.
I myself didnt hang out in bars before the pandemic, and I have no desire to start now. I still will be careful when I go out. I wear a mask, and try not to get too close to others. I think common sense should be used.
Other then what I just stated, I haven’t changed my routine that much. At this point, let people decide for themselves just how much they want to return to normal.
Many people have jobs that allow them to work from home. But the majority don’t have that luxury.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



Maybe I should have spewed out statistics with no backing that conveniently fit my insecurities? 😒

There's a difference between surviving the virus and surviving the pandemic. You're speaking about surviving the pandemic, I spoke on the virus because it is conveniently ignored when people naively speak about the "survival-rate" of the virus. The virus might not kill you, but it could have a lasting effect on your health forever. That's the point. That's the difference. That's not the economy. That's just the other part of the "survival-rate" that I see routinely omitted from the statistic spewing clowns.






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Cheesey
4 years ago
No, you did correct. Statistics are thrown out there by people wanting to prove their side.
I personally know of 3 people who died, none of which had the virus. Yet they were listed as dying from the virus. So how much of it is true? I don’t think anyone truly knows.
As you know, I have heart disease, diabetes and asthma. I have survived 11 years since my open heart surgery. I have surpassed the “normal” length of time people normally survive from this.
Yes, people may have lasting effects from the virus. But what can you do about it? Like I said, how long is long enough to close down the nation? I have yet to hear from anyone that has an answer. Or even any idea of how long is long enough.
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Zero2Cool
4 years ago

No, you did correct. Statistics are thrown out there by people wanting to prove their side.
I personally know of 3 people who died, none of which had the virus. Yet they were listed as dying from the virus. So how much of it is true? I don’t think anyone truly knows.
As you know, I have heart disease, diabetes and asthma. I have survived 11 years since my open heart surgery. I have surpassed the “normal” length of time people normally survive from this.
Yes, people may have lasting effects from the virus. But what can you do about it? Like I said, how long is long enough to close down the nation? I have yet to hear from anyone that has an answer. Or even any idea of how long is long enough.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



I am not an expert, nor do I intend to come off as one. That being said, I feel COVID-19 might be accelerate death that was already prominent. What I mean by that poor wording is I think it was the camel that broke the straws back. I've read and listened to numerous stories where people my age have went through hell and even weeks/months later they are still feeling the effects. They are alive though. That is important, however, to completely gloss over the lasting effects I feel is misleading.

Speaking of misleading. If someone has a health issue and COVID-19 contributes to the death, I feel there should be separate categories. Hell, maybe there is and I just didn't look/find them? But if someone has a preexisting condition and they have COVID-19 when they pass away, I feel that should be documented appropriately. Reason being someone could die of a heart attack and they could have COVID-19 and I think (again, I do not KNOW this to be a fact, only speculation) those deaths are being counted as COVID-19 deaths.

CDC posted on their website they expect everyone to be in contact or have COVID-19. Some people read that and go then why even do social distancing? That's easy to answer. We do social distancing to prevent a massive overflow of patients in the hospital. It can crudely be thought of like changing the oil in your car. You need to put 5 quarters in, but if you do it all at once, you're going to make a huge mess. If you use a funnel and pour slowly, your engine will be able to consume it without making a mess. I feel social distancing was not to prevent everyone getting COVID-19, but rather prevent hospitals being overwhelmed with COVID-19 cases. We have to keep in mind that hospitals aren't just sitting around play cards. They are handling other issues such as surgeries, illnesses, etc.

So -- if I come off testy about this subject, I sincerely apologize. I'm just really sick and fed up hearing about it and reading people misleading others by using statistics. We all know statistics lie. Think about that when someone blindly uses statistics to support their argument and they don't frame the statistics at all, nor provide the source.


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Cheesey
4 years ago
Zero, your last post was well thought out, and very classy. That’s one thing that makes me respect you and your opinions.
With you, it’s a discussion. You make me think, just because of how you say things. It’s not you trying to force your views on anyone. And you don’t try to make anyone that has a different opinion feel like an idiot.
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Smokey
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4 years ago
Disagreeing does not make one an idiot unless they were already one to start with. As many times that I've forecasted correctly, none have ever shown the courage to step up and admit they were wrong. Instead they play the "Trump" card and target/blame others to deflect failed postings.

If my post make any feel like an idiot or some other derogatory noun it's not because I attacked anyone, but because they are seeing these things about themselves.

I too want sports begin again, but I'm not blind to the possible reasons that might stand in the path. If the NFL does encounter Pandemic difficulties with the 2020 regular season, but can resume play in December or January, I propose a single elimination tournament that would culminate in the Super Bowl.

It would start with all teams names placed on a bowl and drawn randomly to determine who will play who in week 1. The odd teams will start as home teams and week 2 home team would be determined by a roll of the dice. Saturday and Sunday games would be played in the 16 game and 8 game and 4 game rounds. The Semi-final games would be played on Sunday and the Super Bowl the following Sunday. A pro bowl would not be played, but players could be so honored after the tournament concludes. 5 weeks of football would be better than no football at all!

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Cheesey
4 years ago
Geez Smokey...you are so full of yourself!
You name call, use the “Trump” card as a swipe at people here (me, for example) then pretend like you don’t do those things. You started this thread saying not to name call, not to make it political, then do that yourself.
Better be careful! It’s a long fall from the pedestal you put yourself on!
And if you ever are right, I’ll admit it.
Just keep spewing your “I’m smarter then anyone” garbage. It used to upset me. Now it just makes me laugh!😏
Sooner or later you will do like you did before, and get yourself kicked off here. I have faith in you. You don’t play well with others.
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Smokey
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4 years ago
I've heard too many nationally recognized leaders that are more eloquent than myself with whom I share the same views to be intimidated by some invisible internet keypounder. If you read my post and feel emotional, then either you are hiding a small cube in a back corner that wants to agree with me or like too many others you refuse to admit that more than your views are possible.

As for being right on issues ranging from the Packers to this Pandemic, just posting a wish list does not cut the cheese. I've consistently posted for a more dominant Packer running attack and we saw last season the first view of LaFleur's offensive system that places more weight on the running game. This system requires both good running and good run blocking. Therefor many of the 2020 Draft choices will strengthen the depth of the team LaFleur is building. The WR cries I'm reading fail to see this evolution as they remain thinking in past tense terms. Gutekunst is fully aware of the WR moans and groans. I feel sure that he will address it as he did with the defense last season. I don't look for GB to acquire an Odell Beckham or some other top 10 WR, but I'm confident that changes will be taking place.

Weather football will be played this fall remains uncertain. I too want to see the games played, but I won't dismiss the real possibilities that we have just seen the first wave of this Pandemic and more waves could be on the way. It's not a prediction, but an honest look at what is possible based upon past virus cases.
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Cheesey
4 years ago
So....you found people that agree with you, so that means you have to be right. 😂😂😂

Oh....and by the way.....what about you saying at the beginning of this thread not to make it political, or to name call? You did real well with that, didn’t you?
You can’t even follow your own rules.
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beast (21h) : Sounds like no serious injuries from the Saints game and Jacobs and Watson should play in the Vikings game
packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : both games Watson missed, Packers won
Martha Careful (24-Dec) : I hope all of you have a Merry Christmas!
Mucky Tundra (24-Dec) : Oh I know about Jacobs, I just couldn't pass up an opportunity to mimic Zero lol
buckeyepackfan (24-Dec) : Jacobs was just sat down, Watson re-injured that knee that kept him out 1 game earlier
buckeyepackfan (24-Dec) : I needed .14 that's. .14 points for the whole 4th quarter to win and go to the SB. Lol
Mucky Tundra (24-Dec) : Jacobs gonna be OK???
Zero2Cool (24-Dec) : Watson gonna be OK???
packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : Inactives tonight for the Pack: Alexander- knee Bullard - ankle Williams - quad Walker -ankle Monk Heath
packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : No Jaire, but hopefully the front 7 destroys the line of scrimmage & forces Rattler into a few passes to McKinney.
packerfanoutwest (24-Dec) : minny could be #1 seed and the Lions #5 seed
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : We'd have same Division and Conference records. Strength of schedule we edge them
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I just checked. What tie breaker?
bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes its possible but unlikely. If we do get the 5th, we face the NFCS winner
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Ahh, ok.
bboystyle (23-Dec) : yes due to tie breaker
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I mean, unlikely, yes, but mathematically, 5th is possible by what I'm reading.
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : If Vikings lose out, Packers win out, Packers get 5th, right?
bboystyle (23-Dec) : Minny isnt going to lose out so 5th seed is out of the equation. We are playing for the 6th or 7th seed which makes no difference
Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : beast, the ad revenue goes to the broadcast company but they gotta pay to air the game on their channel/network
beast (23-Dec) : If we win tonight the game is still relative in terms of 5th, 6th or 7th seed... win and it's 5th or 6th, lose and it's 6th or 7th
beast (23-Dec) : Mucky, I thought the ad revenue went to the broadcasting companies or the NFL, at least not directly
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I think the revenue share is moot, isn't it? That's the CBA an Salary Cap handling that.
bboystyle (23-Dec) : i mean game becomes irrelevant if we win tonight. Just a game where we are trying to play spoilers to Vikings chance at the #1 seed
Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : beast, I would guess ad revenue from more eyes watching tv
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I would think it would hurt the home team because people would have to cancel last minute maybe? i dunno
beast (23-Dec) : I agree that it's BS for fans planning on going to the game. But how does it bring in more money? I'm guessing indirectly?
packerfanoutwest (23-Dec) : bs on flexing the game....they do it for the $$league$$, not the hometown fans
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I see what you did there Mucky
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : dammit. 3:25pm
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Packers Vikings flexed to 3:35pm
Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : Upon receiving the news about Luke Musgrave, I immediately fell to the ground
Mucky Tundra (23-Dec) : Yeah baby!
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : LUKE MUSGRAVE PLAYING TONIGHT~!~~~~WOWHOAAOHAOAA yah
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I wanna kill new QB's ... blitz the crap out of them.
beast (23-Dec) : Barry seemed to get too conservative against new QBs, Hafley doesn't have that issue
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : However, we seem to struggle vs new QB's
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Should be moot point, cuz Packers should win tonight.
packerfanoutwest (23-Dec) : ok I stand corrected
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : Ok, yes, you are right. I see that now how they get 7th
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : 5th - Packers win out, Vikings lose out. Maybe?
beast (23-Dec) : Saying no to the 6th lock.
beast (23-Dec) : No, with the Commanders beating the Eagles, Packers could have a good chance of 6th or 7th unless the win out
Zero2Cool (23-Dec) : I think if Packers win, they are locked 6th with chance for 5th.
beast (23-Dec) : But it doesn't matter, as the Packers win surely win one of their remaining games
beast (23-Dec) : This is not complex, just someone doesn't want to believe reality
beast (23-Dec) : We already have told you... if Packers lose all their games (they won't, but if they did), and Buccaneers and Falcons win all theirs
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