Smokey
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4 years ago
While neither I or anyone else can accurately predict the future, I'm not 100% sure that any football will be played this Fall. All College/Pro games may not be played due to the Covid-19 Pandemic. I fully understand that this is not going to be the popular view, but nevertheless it remains a real possibility.

Global Medical Experts are already warning us that we (America) as well as other countries stand a good chance of facing a 2nd or 3rd wave if infections that may well surpass what we already have endured. That said, it has already been officially announced that the next Flu season looks to be worse than we have seen for many years. A double barrel national medical crisis!

If two medical crisis's are not enough, World Weather experts are also predicting a Hurricane/Storm season that could be above what is considered to be an average season. 😮

Baseball and other sports are currently looking for ways to hold their events. I feel that they will also serve as a test lab for other sports like football. Their success or failure will I believe weigh heavily upon others like the NFL, NBA, NCAA, and others.

Post in this thread should prove most interesting, but please let us avoid personal attacks or politically motivated wish list. We all want our sports back, but reality may not allow for it to happen.
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KRK
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4 years ago
[list][*]Open it up[*]let em play[*]let the folks with under .03%, chance of dying, athletes and spectators, self select and establish herd immunity[*]let the folks fixated on death and bad news sit at home, watch and criticize everyone.[/list]
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Smokey
  • Smokey
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4 years ago

[list]

  • Open it up
  • let em play[*]let the folks with under .03%, chance of dying, athletes and spectators, self select and establish herd immunity[*]let the folks fixated on death and bad news sit at home, watch and criticize everyone.[/list]

    Originally Posted by: KRK 

  • OK, that's one vote for a full open by the herder himself. You do live in Wisconsin don't you. Please keep your party in that region, thanks!
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    KRK
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    4 years ago

    OK, that's one vote for a full open by the herder himself. You do live in Wisconsin don't you. Please keep your party in that region, thanks!

    Originally Posted by: Smokey 

    Reading is a skill. What I said was it is a ‘self selection’. If you feel you’re at risk, don’t go. It’s called freedom.

    Further any rudimentary user of the site would be able to see I live in Florida. Thank God we have a great Governor, not like the dipshit you have in my home state. He opened up parts of the state, but hotspots (Miami et al) he did not open up. Further he protected the nursing homes, the at risk population, unlike doofus Cuomo.

    So the net, the point of the thread, if you feel like going to the game, go. If you want to cower in fear or if you’re in the air at risk population, don’t go.
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    Smokey
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    4 years ago
    Wisconsin/Florida, both are using the same road map. The "greed" factor varies.

    My state, Virginia, is the only state whose Governor also is a licenced M.D. as well. I've heard of and seen the "reopen" protesters in this state as well. As of today 1014 deaths in Va. have been caused by Covid-19. It's approx. 3.4% of the over 30,000 confirmed cases. Virginia has suffered during this Pandemic, but I know the numbers would be a lot higher had no actions been taken.

    Jobs/businesses are as important to Va. families as any other state. However we place considerable value on lives over lack of economic/social discipline. I view reports from around the nation of crowded reopened businesses and wonder how long before their frantic rush to show off their impatience will result in new hot spot outbreaks. Also I see where some take a grain of an unproven theory or statistical analysis to spin it to fit what they hope for.

    Too many different certified medical/science experts continue to issue warnings of caution. Those connected to a political stance are shouting their left or right views and neither is totally correct. Careful, measured, monitored and responsibly selected businesses should reopen. Followed by more in a closely watched manner that leans very heavily on testing. Opening the floodgates carelessly could spike the infection numbers and set back economic recovery that we all want.
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    Cheesey
    4 years ago
    Whether things are opened up or not, people still have the choice to go out or stay huddled in their homes.
    If you’re scared, or in the high risk group, you can choose to stay closed up.
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    Smokey
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    4 years ago

    Whether things are opened up or not, people still have the choice to go out or stay huddled in their homes.
    If you’re scared, or in the high risk group, you can choose to stay closed up.

    Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



    Perhaps you will go wade into your local bar. You'd be in no danger rubbing elbows huddling up with others that also do as they choose. Your not scared yourself, are you? (Is it do as I say and not as I do?)
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    Cheesey
    4 years ago
    Whatever.....😏
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    KRK
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    4 years ago

    Psychotherapist: Lockdown Zealots Are Behaving Like Cult Members
    They double down on their beliefs despite having been proven wrong.

    Published 7 hours ago on 18 May, 2020Paul Joseph Watson

    Psychotherapist Dr Hugh Willbourn says lockdown zealots are displaying all the classic signs of cult members by doubling down on their beliefs despite having been proven wrong.

    In an article on his website, Willbourn highlights the work of respected social psychologist Leon Festinger, who analyzed the beliefs of a UFO cult in the 1950’s who believed that a flying saucer would rescue them from the apocalypse.

    However, after the catastrophic earthquakes and floods they expected to hit the United States never arrived and their beliefs were totally disproved, “the cult members would become not less but more convinced of their beliefs.”

    Festinger identified five conditions that needed to be met in order for the cult members to double down on their beliefs and avoid cognitive dissonance.

    1. There must be conviction
    2. There must be commitment to this conviction
    3. The conviction must be amenable to unequivocal disconfirmation
    4. Such unequivocal disconfirmation must occur
    5. Social support must be available subsequent to the disconfirmation.


    “Festinger’s five conditions and the behaviour of the cult believers correspond closely to the situation with Brexit, Climate Change and Covid-19: a prophecy is made, believers invest themselves, their time, money and prestige in it, the prophecy fails and the believers become more fervent,” writes Willbourn.

    The doctor notes how terrifying predictions of how many people COVID-19 would kill have fallen massively short and the models that produced these numbers have been thoroughly debunked. Despite warnings that coronavirus would kill 500,000 in the UK alone, the disease has only claimed 318,000 worldwide.

    “To put this figure into perspective, the number of people who have died of, or with, Covid-19 in about four and half months is the same as the number who die in five days from cardiovascular disease,” writes Willbourn.

    The doctor notes how “experts” are still doubling down anyway, warning of mass death if lockdown is lifted too early and a second wave of infections.

    In reality, research suggests that the lockdowns had a minimal impact on infection numbers, and Sweden’s per capita death toll is lower than the UK’s and numerous other countries despite the Scandinavian country having imposed no hard lockdown.

    “Don’t expect an apology from our Government, or any other Government, any time soon,” writes Willbourn. “The Festinger effect is far, far more prevalent than a clear-sighted view of reality and the tragedy is all the greater.”

    “Is this starting to sound familiar?” asks Toby Young. “As Willbourn points out, the sequence that Festinger wrote about more than 50 years ago is eerily reminiscent of what’s happening today: an apocalyptic prophecy was delivered from on high (“the science”), those who believed it radically altered their behaviour, the prophecy turned out not to be true, but instead of abandoning their doom-mongering the believers have become even more fervent, attacking anyone who points out the gap between fantasy and reality as dangerous heretics (“fake news”, “misinformation”, “conspiracy theories”, etc).”

    “The difference, of course, is that Festinger’s UFO cult had a few dozen members, whereas the Covid cult seems to have infected half the world. If Festinger’s right, the bad news is we won’t be able to persuade people to stop social distancing if we prove that the danger posed by COVID-19 has been dramatically overstated. On the contrary, people’s opposition to returning to normal will intensify rather than diminish as the evidence mounts they were wrong.”

    Meanwhile, Karens all over the world don’t show any signs of giving up on something that legitimizes their favorite thing in the world; Lecturing other people about their behavior.



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    Nonstopdrivel
    4 years ago

    I know the numbers would be a lot higher had no actions been taken.

    Originally Posted by: Smokey 


    How?

    we place considerable value on lives over lack of economic/social discipline.

    Originally Posted by: Smokey 


    Why are the lives of people who, statistically speaking, would probably have died in the next year or two anyway more important than the people who will die of hunger (WHO estimates over a million children will starve this year due to the lockdowns), heart attacks (they spike during periods of unemployment), and suicide (ditto)? Over 100,000 small businesses have closed permanently since the lockdowns got underway. Why are the lives of people with multiple comorbidities more important than the futures of countless young people?

    My favorite statistic to come out of this pandemic: In Italy, the death rate from the disease has ranged from 0.02 percent among people in their 40s to around 15 percent among people older than 90. Do you know what the statistical risk of death from any a cause within the next 365 days for a nonagenarian is? More than 15 percent. This damn virus is less likely to kill you than the mere fact of being alive.
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