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5 years ago

Lazzard went from not making the roster to being the starter in the same season... if that's not the definition of a surprise, then I don't know what is....

He should clearly be on this list more than anyone else...

Sullivan as well....

Goodson I got mixed feelings about, but he was good in a very limited role...

But trying to think of other names, that are better surprise in positivitie ways is tough.

Maybe Bulaga? Clark being used in a new role, which I don't think suits him as well, think he can be an all pro NT but not as good as the 3 tech, but did better than expected. S Greene until his injury.

Originally Posted by: beast 



Untrue. Players who start because of the outstanding quality is one thing. Players who start because of a total lack of better options is something completely different. There was no stand out WR after Adams.

Last year Josh Jones started some games. Hardly a ringing endorsement. So did Kentrell Brice, Josh Jackson, Antoino Morrison, Tony Brown and Jermaine Whitehead just to name a few. Jackson is the only one still on the team and his days are numbered.
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5 years ago

Ugh, that wretched phrase again. 🤮 Has there ever been another top-flight quarterback about whose tender feelings reporters and commentators were so solicitous the way they are for Rodgers'? I don't remember ever hearing endless references to Peyton Manning's or Brett Favre's need for trust in their receivers. I don't hear it with Tom Brady or Drew Brees either. They make do with what they have.

That being said, the drop-off in production between the No. 1 receiver and the No. 2 receiver is pretty dramatic. Like fall-off-a-cliff dramatic.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



Yes. In fact, QB’s in the NFL (or at any level) have certain trust levels with certain receivers. It is not something specific to Rodgers. Look at the trust level between Brees and Michael Thomas compared to the rest of his receivers. It’s obvious that Thomas is trusted more than anyone with that number of targets.

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5 years ago

You mean to tell me you expected Jones to lead the league in TDs? He doubled his output from last year. No one saw that coming. Not even close.

Originally Posted by: wpr 

Actually I believe some people did see Jones numbers taking a large incline (maybe not those exact numbers but a good bump up) due to he fact the Packers pass the ball at a higher percentage under MM last year, more than any other team in years....

And the basic of LaFleur scheme is running the ball...

And there was concerns about Jones staying healthy, buy most of his injuries have come in the from pass blocking, which LaFleur asks his RBs to do less of, and gets them in receiving routes much more often.

Untrue. Players who start because of the outstanding quality is one thing. Players who start because of a total lack of better options is something completely different. There was no stand out WR after Adams.

Last year Josh Jones started some games. Hardly a ringing endorsement. So did Kentrell Brice, Josh Jackson, Antoino Morrison, Tony Brown and Jermaine Whitehead just to name a few. Jackson is the only one still on the team and his days are numbered.

Originally Posted by: wpr 

You completely missed the point... you're talking shit about starters... I'm pointing out a guy that was released by the team in the same exact year that same exact team made him their #2 guy at the position.

Not a single one of your many examples relates to that same standard...

They freaking released him...

People could have guessed your examples would become the starters for a few games. No one would guess the released guy...
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5 years ago
I think what the venerable wpr is saying it that while you could say that the cut wide receiver managing to make a contribution was a pleasant surprise, the other way to look at it is that it's concerning that there was so little talent behind the No. 1 receiver, a player who had been cut became the de facto No. 2 receiver, despite generating less than half the production of the top receiver. Is that a sign that the coaching staff underestimated Lazard—or that they way overestimated the other receivers on the squad? I think it's a little of both, exacerbated by Rodgers' weird insistence on only working with his favorites.
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