Zero2Cool
5 years ago
Pretty fascinating. Yet, you arm chair QBs will still whine. Me too!


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gbguy20
5 years ago

Pretty fascinating. Yet, you arm chair QBs will still whine. Me too!

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



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TheKanataThrilla
5 years ago
I can see the suggestion that running the time clock down to one may allow Aaron to diagnose the D, but it also allows to DL to time the snap as either it is perfect jump for the DL or it is a time count violation on the Packers.
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5 years ago
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I can see the suggestion that running the time clock down to one may allow Aaron to diagnose the D, but it also allows to DL to time the snap as either it is perfect jump for the DL or it is a time count violation on the Packers.

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Great point. Optimal to snap between 3-8 seconds left on the play clock, especially when milking a lead.
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Porforis
5 years ago
Thing is, when Urlacher was still in the league, it was producing 1-2 offsides per game and maybe a false start and timeout burned every 1.5 games, instead of ~4 offsides a year and a false start or timeout burned every game. It used to work fantastically for the Packers, but for whatever reason it hasn't seemed to even break even as far as offsides vs false starts (not to mention burned TOs if they're to the line a bit late thinking they'll take it down to 1) go for several years now.
Porforis
5 years ago

I can see the suggestion that running the time clock down to one may allow Aaron to diagnose the D, but it also allows to DL to time the snap as either it is perfect jump for the DL or it is a time count violation on the Packers.

Originally Posted by: TheKanataThrilla 



This. Why not just snap it at 2 roughly half the time so it's not so incredibly predictable? Is Rodgers really using seconds 2 to 1 to diagnose the defense, and if he can catch the defense offguard and buy his linemen like 50ms of a jump on the d linemen, does that offset that lost second of diagnosis?
Zero2Cool
5 years ago

I can see the suggestion that running the time clock down to one may allow Aaron to diagnose the D, but it also allows to DL to time the snap as either it is perfect jump for the DL or it is a time count violation on the Packers.

Originally Posted by: TheKanataThrilla 


Who gets the bigger advantage, the QB or Defense? Do you think it helps Aaron more than it helps the defense or vice versa?


This. Why not just snap it at 2 roughly half the time so it's not so incredibly predictable? Is Rodgers really using seconds 2 to 1 to diagnose the defense, and if he can catch the defense offguard and buy his linemen like 50ms of a jump on the d linemen, does that offset that lost second of diagnosis?

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



The Packers have varied the run down time and Matt LaFleur says that is the goal so they are not predictable. Other teams do this too, but it seems Packers fans don't wanna hear that or acknowledge it. It feels a big mind boggling to me. I would rather keep that defense on their toes like what happens in hurry up offense.
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Porforis
5 years ago

Who gets the bigger advantage, the QB or Defense? Do you think it helps Aaron more than it helps the defense or vice versa?

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



My point is that it's not just a "QB vs Defense" thing and as a result there's no easy metrics to look at whether or not it's worth it. Is it giving the defense a jump knowing that if they haven't snapped at 3 seconds, they're going to get it down to 1 or less before snapping? How many false starts are occurring as a result of this practice that otherwise wouldn't be the case if we weren't running the clock down to the wire? How many offsides are we generating as a result of this practice and how are we utilizing the free play? How many timeouts are we burning as a result of this practice.

What sorts of things is Rodgers looking at in the last second before snapping and how useful is that compared to everything else?

More attempting to add to the conversation by openly pondering the pros and cons than making a definitive statement. To my casual eye, yeah I feel like it might not be benefitial anymore as we've not seen anywhere close to the number of offsides in the last few years versus the like 6 years prior to that and as a result, the benefits are decreasing.

The Packers have varied the run down time and Matt LaFleur says that is the goal so they are not predictable. Other teams do this too, but it seems Packers fans don't wanna hear that or acknowledge it. It feels a big mind boggling to me. I would rather keep that defense on their toes like what happens in hurry up offense.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



1. Something being a goal and something being accomplished are two different things.

2. Some Packers fans have zero issues acknowledging things like these or stating that it's simply an opinion of a very complex situation. I guess I never got the point of pointing out the fact that some fans are stubborn asses unless you happen to be talking to one. Just gently sharing my opinion and playing a bit of devil's advocate here.
Zero2Cool
5 years ago

My point is that it's not just a "QB vs Defense" thing and as a result there's no easy metrics to look at whether or not it's worth it. Is it giving the defense a jump knowing that if they haven't snapped at 3 seconds, they're going to get it down to 1 or less before snapping? How many false starts are occurring as a result of this practice that otherwise wouldn't be the case if we weren't running the clock down to the wire? How many offsides are we generating as a result of this practice and how are we utilizing the free play? How many timeouts are we burning as a result of this practice.

What sorts of things is Rodgers looking at in the last second before snapping and how useful is that compared to everything else?

More attempting to add to the conversation by openly pondering the pros and cons than making a definitive statement. To my casual eye, yeah I feel like it might not be benefitial anymore as we've not seen anywhere close to the number of offsides in the last few years versus the like 6 years prior to that and as a result, the benefits are decreasing.



1. Something being a goal and something being accomplished are two different things.

2. Some Packers fans have zero issues acknowledging things like these or stating that it's simply an opinion of a very complex situation. I guess I never got the point of pointing out the fact that some fans are stubborn asses unless you happen to be talking to one. Just gently sharing my opinion and playing a bit of devil's advocate here.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



I was one of the fans who constantly was irritated by "why won't the Packers snap the ball earlier!" and then as I paid more attention to other teams I changed my tune to "why don't offenses snap the ball earlier!".

It's all about perception and what you allow your eyes to see.

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yooperfan
5 years ago
At least it keeps me awake as I have to keep screaming "snap the damn ball" at the TV.
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