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16 years ago
Think of the pressure Mike McCarthy could put on a defense in moving this kid all around the offense.. scat back, receiver, return man, a rush, throw pass option threat... oh you have heard of the Wildcat offense.. if you wanted to.. this kid could pull that off..

I think this would be a wise choice for a team such as us.. 5 to 10 touches a game.. kid has plenty of speed and is shifty as hell..

Percy Harvin is another one of those type players..

http://sundaygazettemail.com/Sports/WVU/200812030831 

Will White's skill set transfer to NFL career?
MORGANTOWN - For all that Pat White has accomplished over the past four football seasons - the records, the wins, the adoration of nearly an entire state - there is still one group that he has largely failed to win over.
By Dave Hickman
Staff writer

MORGANTOWN - For all that Pat White has accomplished over the past four football seasons - the records, the wins, the adoration of nearly an entire state - there is still one group that he has largely failed to win over.

They come armed with stopwatches and clipboards, wear sometimes silly logos on their caps and jackets and spend much of their working life in dark rooms with remote controls and stacks and stacks of video tapes or DVDs or whatever it is they put college highlights on these days. [img_r]http://images.sportsnetwork.com/cfoot/getty/bigeast/west_virginia/2008/white_pat245.jpg[/img_r]

They are NFL scouts and, if conventional wisdom is correct, they remain largely unimpressed with West Virginia quarterback Pat White.

Oh, they're intrigued by wide receiver Pat White. They think kick returner Pat White has a shot at making it in the NFL, too. Shoot, in some system where a relatively skinny 190-pounder doesn't have to be a workhorse there might even be room in the NFL for running back Pat White.

But if there are more than a few who will even consider recommending to their employers quarterback Pat White, they haven't exactly come bursting out of the woodwork.

And it kind of gets under White's skin, as witness his response last week when someone mentioned the fact that few think he can play quarterback at the next level.

"Yeah, well, a lot of people don't think West Virginia is a state, either,'' he said dryly. "What do they know?''

Well, they actually know a lot, at least about what seems to be the array of skills needed to become a successful pro quarterback. Granted, they don't necessarily think outside the box all that often, but that's in part due to the fact that so few NFL quarterbacks - past, present or even in waiting - have succeeded with White's particular skill set.

Specifically, that would be stronger credentials running than passing, a body type not projected to withstand a great deal of punishment when he does run and limited experience playing in a pro-style passing attack.

Well, guess what? White's skills as a passer have improved and he now has at least some basic knowledge of the pro-style passing game about which he was formerly clueless.

If the metamorphosis West Virginia's offense has undergone this season has done little else - you are free to insert your disparaging comments here - it has at least made White at least a little bit more NFL-friendly as a QB.

"I think so. I think it's helped me out,'' White said. "As far as footwork, ball position, reading defenses; and being able to read more than just one side of the field.''

Naturally, the scouts and coaches who will ultimately make the call on what sort of chance White is given to prove himself as a quarterback are the ones who will judge how far he has come in just one season. Chances are most will continue to look upon White as a novelty.

But the great thing about a novelty act is that, if for no other reason than curiosity, people watch it. That's all White wants - someone to watch him and see what he can do.

"I'm not an NFL representative, so [I don't know what they think],'' White said. "I'll admit that coming into this year I was just going to work hard and see what happened.''

Had they watched White a year ago he would have looked completely out of place, possessing virtually no knowledge of any sort of sophisticated passing schemes. He was a quarterback who basically looked at one receiver, maybe two, then either threw the ball or tucked it and ran.

Sure, he was a terrific talent, but putting him into an NFL system with that limited knowledge would have been embarrassing.

Now, while White is still not the most polished or sophisticated passer in college football, he is light years ahead of where he was just a few months ago.

"You'd like to think so,'' said new WVU offensive coordinator Jeff Mullen when asked if he thought White had progressed enough that he could at least sneak onto someone's radar. "We've worked very, very hard on pocket presence and mechanics and full-field reads, sliding protections and seeing safety rotations, understanding coverages to anticipate the soft spot. It's all the things you talk about [when evaluating the pro potential of a quarterback]. Now, whether he is ready or not, I hope he is.''

Statistics, of course, can be made to illustrate any point you care to make, but just for kicks here are a few to ponder about White. He is not only the all-time leading quarterback rusher in NCAA history, he also leads the Big East this season in touchdown passes.

Really, he does. He has 17, the same as Cincinnati's Tony Pike and more than Rutgers' Mike Teel or Louisville's Hunter Cantwell. He is also on target to become perhaps the most accurate and efficient passer in school history, albeit with far few attempts than some others.

"The guy is leading the conference in touchdown passes. And these aren't screens he's throwing,'' Mullen said. "That's Pat White. It's not Mike Teel or the guy at Louisville, these pocket guys.''

Mullen has examples of White's maturation ready at a moment's notice. Just pick one.

"The two touchdown passes he threw at Louisville were special, and that's what the normal guy doesn't see,'' Mullen said. "He got one on a second or third look, he did it with people in his face, having to slide around, [which means] he didn't panic. The second one, a defensive lineman actually hit the ball [while White was trying to escape pressure]. That's another of the things we've worked hard on, ball security, not as a runner but as a quarterback.

"When I see that, I think he's gotten better. I wouldn't have expected that from him - and didn't see it - in the spring.''

Of course, White could have skipped town and tried his luck in the NFL last season - as a wide receiver or whatever - but he chose to stay. Naturally, that was good for West Virginia, but maybe it was good for him, too.

"It's been a two-way street. We will forever be indebted and grateful that Patrick White stayed,'' WVU coach Bill Stewart said. "But I think Patrick will be the first to tell you, to jump up and say, 'Hey, I learned a lot of football this year from Jeff Mullen and our new scheme and what we're trying to do at West Virginia.' ''

It remains to be seen if he learned enough to impress the guys in the dark rooms.

Reach Dave Hickman at 348-1734 or dphickm...@aol.com.

MORGANTOWN - For all that Pat White has accomplished over the past four football seasons - the records, the wins, the adoration of nearly an entire state - there is still one group that he has largely failed to win over.

They come armed with stopwatches and clipboards, wear sometimes silly logos on their caps and jackets and spend much of their working life in dark rooms with remote controls and stacks and stacks of video tapes or DVDs or whatever it is they put college highlights on these days.

They are NFL scouts and, if conventional wisdom is correct, they remain largely unimpressed with West Virginia quarterback Pat White.

Oh, they're intrigued by wide receiver Pat White. They think kick returner Pat White has a shot at making it in the NFL, too. Shoot, in some system where a relatively skinny 190-pounder doesn't have to be a workhorse there might even be room in the NFL for running back Pat White.

But if there are more than a few who will even consider recommending to their employers quarterback Pat White, they haven't exactly come bursting out of the woodwork.

And it kind of gets under White's skin, as witness his response last week when someone mentioned the fact that few think he can play quarterback at the next level.

"Yeah, well, a lot of people don't think West Virginia is a state, either,'' he said dryly. "What do they know?''

Well, they actually know a lot, at least about what seems to be the array of skills needed to become a successful pro quarterback. Granted, they don't necessarily think outside the box all that often, but that's in part due to the fact that so few NFL quarterbacks - past, present or even in waiting - have succeeded with White's particular skill set.

Specifically, that would be stronger credentials running than passing, a body type not projected to withstand a great deal of punishment when he does run and limited experience playing in a pro-style passing attack.

Well, guess what? White's skills as a passer have improved and he now has at least some basic knowledge of the pro-style passing game about which he was formerly clueless.

If the metamorphosis West Virginia's offense has undergone this season has done little else - you are free to insert your disparaging comments here - it has at least made White at least a little bit more NFL-friendly as a QB.

"I think so. I think it's helped me out,'' White said. "As far as footwork, ball position, reading defenses; and being able to read more than just one side of the field.''

Naturally, the scouts and coaches who will ultimately make the call on what sort of chance White is given to prove himself as a quarterback are the ones who will judge how far he has come in just one season. Chances are most will continue to look upon White as a novelty.

But the great thing about a novelty act is that, if for no other reason than curiosity, people watch it. That's all White wants - someone to watch him and see what he can do.

"I'm not an NFL representative, so [I don't know what they think],'' White said. "I'll admit that coming into this year I was just going to work hard and see what happened.''

Had they watched White a year ago he would have looked completely out of place, possessing virtually no knowledge of any sort of sophisticated passing schemes. He was a quarterback who basically looked at one receiver, maybe two, then either threw the ball or tucked it and ran.

Sure, he was a terrific talent, but putting him into an NFL system with that limited knowledge would have been embarrassing.

Now, while White is still not the most polished or sophisticated passer in college football, he is light years ahead of where he was just a few months ago.

"You'd like to think so,'' said new WVU offensive coordinator Jeff Mullen when asked if he thought White had progressed enough that he could at least sneak onto someone's radar. "We've worked very, very hard on pocket presence and mechanics and full-field reads, sliding protections and seeing safety rotations, understanding coverages to anticipate the soft spot. It's all the things you talk about [when evaluating the pro potential of a quarterback]. Now, whether he is ready or not, I hope he is.''

Statistics, of course, can be made to illustrate any point you care to make, but just for kicks here are a few to ponder about White. He is not only the all-time leading quarterback rusher in NCAA history, he also leads the Big East this season in touchdown passes.

Really, he does. He has 17, the same as Cincinnati's Tony Pike and more than Rutgers' Mike Teel or Louisville's Hunter Cantwell. He is also on target to become perhaps the most accurate and efficient passer in school history, albeit with far few attempts than some others.

"The guy is leading the conference in touchdown passes. And these aren't screens he's throwing,'' Mullen said. "That's Pat White. It's not Mike Teel or the guy at Louisville, these pocket guys.''

Mullen has examples of White's maturation ready at a moment's notice. Just pick one.

"The two touchdown passes he threw at Louisville were special, and that's what the normal guy doesn't see,'' Mullen said. "He got one on a second or third look, he did it with people in his face, having to slide around, [which means] he didn't panic. The second one, a defensive lineman actually hit the ball [while White was trying to escape pressure]. That's another of the things we've worked hard on, ball security, not as a runner but as a quarterback.

"When I see that, I think he's gotten better. I wouldn't have expected that from him - and didn't see it - in the spring.''

Of course, White could have skipped town and tried his luck in the NFL last season - as a wide receiver or whatever - but he chose to stay. Naturally, that was good for West Virginia, but maybe it was good for him, too.

"It's been a two-way street. We will forever be indebted and grateful that Patrick White stayed,'' WVU coach Bill Stewart said. "But I think Patrick will be the first to tell you, to jump up and say, 'Hey, I learned a lot of football this year from Jeff Mullen and our new scheme and what we're trying to do at West Virginia.' ''

It remains to be seen if he learned enough to impress the guys in the dark rooms.


"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
gotarace
16 years ago
Dang with all those skills he could make reggie bush look like a choir boy.
CAN HE PUNT???
Smart As a Horse
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porky88
16 years ago
I don't think he's going to make Reggie Bush look like a choir boy anytime soon, but I think he'd be a nice player. More or less a Brad Smith type of player.

A creative coach like McCarthy could take a Brad Smith type of player and use him well. I wouldn't mind seeing him brought in as a 2nd or 3rd round pick. Obviously, I think the Packers have bigger problems, but another role player is always welcomed.
dfosterf
16 years ago
He is NOT being totally ignored, at least amongst the prognosticators I have seen. Low to mid third rounder on my personal favorite big board.
Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
Given Ted Thompson's predilection for picking up guys who can serve double duty on special teams, and given the likelihood that Percy Harvin won't enter the draft this year, I hope Thompson drafts Pat White with our extra third-round pick.

There. I said it.
UserPostedImage
15 years ago
I don't usually swear on this board, but fuck that! I would BLISSFULLY take him with our 2nd.

Check this out. 

On a side note, Hakeem Nicks declared for this year's draft back on the 5th of January. Watching that video, if he slips to us in the 3rd I'll gladly take him.
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Zero2Cool
15 years ago

A creative coach like McCarthy could take a Brad Smith type of player and use him well.

"porky88" wrote:

I have to stop and ask, creative? How has our Mike McCarthy been creative? :cyclopsani:
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Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
I really am intrigued by this prospect and wonder who will end up picking him up. I have to think he's the kind of versatile player that would catch Thompson's eye. What if we drafted White and dangled one of our two backups as trade bait?

The potential steal of the NFL draft 
By Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports

All the big football powers of the Southeast had come to watch Pat White at Alabamas Daphne High School. Why wouldnt they? The kid was a natural athlete, quick and shifty, someone who would eventually get drafted three separate times by Major League Baseball.

White was an exciting quarterback but the college recruiters envisioned something different a wide receiver, a cornerback, a tailback. He wound up committing to LSU to catch passes.

Only one major school had always seen him as a QB West Virginia.

I told my assistants, This is a quarterback, not an athlete who plays quarterback, said then-West Virginia coach Rich Rodriguez, whose belief in White got the playmaker to switch from LSU and sign with the Mountaineers. You could see how he managed the game.

We obviously ran the spread, Rodriguez continued, but I wouldve taken him for any system. I didnt have any questions about him at all.

White went on to a brilliant career, the first starting quarterback to win four bowl games.

For Whites sake, it would have been preferable if Rodriguez had wound up coaching in the NFL and not at the University of Michigan because five years later hes dealing with the same doubts about his position.

It makes White one of the most intriguing prospects in Saturdays NFL draft. Everyone loves a second-guessed underdog who will show up the system. Everyone loves criticizing the NFLs Neanderthal group-think about the size and strength of what makes a player.

Heres the thing, though. White may still be dealing with old stereotypes about prototypical size and skill sets. He may also be entering a rapidly changing league where, thanks to New Englands Bill Belichick (and his expanding influence), multi-skilled, multi-position players are more valuable than ever.

Combine that with the offense du jour the Wildcat, which features some principles of the spread offense and has revolutionized the college game and White may find hes in demand not in spite of his unorthodox quarterback abilities, but because of them.

That may not make him your typical franchise quarterback, such as Georgias Matthew Stafford or USCs Mark Sanchez, but he could be the steal of the draft. His selection offers a referendum on just how much the league and its thinking have changed.

Ive told the NFL guys hes got the it factor that all the great quarterbacks have, Rodriguez said. The bigger the stage the better he plays. And he can make all the throws. He may not be tall, but he has a high release. If someone just gives him a real chance theres no question hell be [successful].

His old coachs support aside, White wont be handed the keys to a franchise. His star turn with the Mountaineers, his Senior Bowl MVP (as a QB) and his head-turning performance at Februarys combine, where he threw better than anyone else, cant overcome his 6-foot, 197-pound frame or his rep as a running quarterback.

Just like back in high school, many football people project him as a receiver or running back, anything but QB.

Yet White is a football player. If you get lost in the particulars, you lose sight of that. Increasingly, though, the NFL is hiring people that dont fall into that trap.

With new, New England-linked regimes in Kansas City, Denver and Cleveland, plus the original still perched up in Foxborough, the Belichickization of the NFL is well under way.

Thats 12.5 percent of the league alone and doesnt count less direct, yet not insignificant, ties to BB in places such as Atlanta, Baltimore, Detroit and elsewhere.

Belichick has been coaching in the NFL longer than anyone (since 1975, when he became a 23-year old assistant with the Baltimore Colts). He has won three Super Bowls, put together just the second perfect regular season in league history and found ways to field winning teams with unlikely personnel decisions.

Belichick loves football players. Hes into generalists, not specialists, guys who can play two or three positions and make the most of their spot on the 53-man roster. He likes defensive players he can use to block like fullbacks and wide receivers that can double as cornerbacks.

He most famously used linebacker Mike Vrabel in short yardage receiving situations, the 6-4, 260-pound defender catching eight career TD passes, including one in a Super Bowl.

Its little surprise that Belichick brought White in to work out and has discussed the player with current WVU coach Bill Stewart. With Tom Brady, New England doesnt need a quarterback; yet according to Stewart, the team isnt just interested in White as a receiver. They appreciate the total package of skills, including taking snaps directly.

Bill Belichick knows exactly what hed do with someone like Patrick White, Stewart told the Boston Globe. He finds a way to put the ball in the hands of a winner.

The Bill Belichicks, Mike Tomlins, Bill Parcellses, those guys that know winners winners, not 750-page playbooks find places to put them. Thats what Ive told the NFL guys. You want him to be a slot? Hell drive defenses nuts. He could also be a force with the Wildcat.

Most mock drafts have White going in the third round. It says here he doesnt last that long. There are too many Belichick disciples out there, too many coaches intrigued by the spread, who see Pat White for not just what he can do, but what he represents in terms of roster freedom and potential.

White says hes willing to do anything a team asks him to do, but reminds that he wants to be an every down quarterback. Rodriguez, for one, thinks a smart team builds a system around him.

Rodriguez may be right, but White is too valuable to spend a season or two holding a clipboard, which is the fate for most rookie quarterbacks.

Hes a football player, after all, not just a prototype quarterback a potential changing era in the NFL that may actually be a positive.


UserPostedImage
15 years ago
The choice would be left or right end of the bench.
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Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
One would think so, though this author says White is too valuable to languish on the bench, so one would think the team who drafts him would find some use for him his rookie year.
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