sschind
6 years ago

And if you don't have it in writing, and stop searching, and that person backs out, you're screwed. Not to mention the ramifications of doing something behind everyone's back, undermining the current administration. It looks shady on all parts. Yes, it can be done, it's just the morally wrong thing to do. There are not any positives to it.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Now what kind of person would make a deal to become a head coach and then back out? Oh yeah, that one guy that so many fans want as our next head coach.

Porforis
6 years ago
Not that Green Bay doesn't have a lot of problems right now, but the only reason I could see someone wanting to go to Cleveland over Green Bay is the "coach that finally turned the Browns around" factor.
DoddPower
6 years ago

Yes, it can be done, it's just the morally wrong thing to do. There are not any positives to it.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



And we all know that corporate business would never do anything morally wrong!
buckeyepackfan
6 years ago

For the record I was trying to make a joke. I think being the head coach of the Packers would be a very attractive position for almost any prospective candidate.

I don't think the next GB coach has to worry about being fired in the middle of the season even if he only has 4 wins by week 13. It was a cumulative occurrence and I don't think Mike McCarthy was fired because of that.

The thing is most people realize and probably agree that it was time for the Packers to move on from McCarthy and they don't have a problem with the firing they just don't like the way it was done. Some thought they should have waited until the end of the season and let Mike decide how to approach it. Some don't even have a problem with the middle of the season thing they just thought they should have waited until Monday to do it.

I felt right from the start of the season that if they had a bad season he would be gone but I felt they would wait until the season was over. For many of the reasons Glazer pointed out I didn't see any benefit from doing it midseason. In fact I was so sure they would wait I didn't stop to think of the potential fallout if they didn't. Honestly, if I were McCarthy I think I'd prefer it this way. The uncertainty is gone now, he has an extra 4 weeks paid vacation and he can spend his time deciding on what he wants to do. He can start researching potential landing spots (watching game film of Baker Mayfield and developing a plan for him if the Browns should come calling for example) I don't think McCarthy lost anything in this except maybe a bit of pride. On the other hand potential employers may question his abilities because he was so bad the Packers didn't even let him finish out the year. However, I don't think that will be an issue. Mike McCarthy has his track record and it will stand on its own. The first 13 weeks are what GM's and owners are going to remember about McCarthy's 2018 season and not the fact that he didn't get to finish the last 4.

For the Packers I think it was a bit of a knee jerk reaction to a bad game. Murphy probably had a threshold and it was reached and he pulled the trigger. What do they gain from it? Unless Joe Philbin is a serious candidate for the HC spot they gain very little. If he is they gain the advantage of a 4 game pre season so to speak. If he is just a placeholder they risked alienating legitimate potential candidates. Just like so many people are down on McDaniels for bailing on the Colts some candidates may be down on the Packers for bailing on McCarthy the way they did.

I do think Murphty is probably second guessing himself right now for the way he handled it because of the fallout but I think in the long run it won't make any difference.

Originally Posted by: sschind 



You're talking pre Dorsey, Highsmith and Wolf.

Right now I believe The Browns are more stable than The Packers.
I hope it doesn't take long for the board of directors to realise what a joke Murphy is making of this whole situation.
Browns
Young hotshot QB, better than average D.
Plenty of draft picks in the future, and plenty of money to spend.
Packers only have a better qb.

I'm afraid The Packers are going to become what The Browns were unless Murphy gets his head out of his ass or relinquishes power to The GM.
I was addicted to The Hokey Pokey, but I turned myself around!
sschind
6 years ago

You're talking pre Dorsey, Highsmith and Wolf.

Right now I believe The Browns are more stable than The Packers.
I hope it doesn't take long for the board of directors to realise what a joke Murphy is making of this whole situation.
Browns
Young hotshot QB, better than average D.
Plenty of draft picks in the future, and plenty of money to spend.
Packers only have a better qb.

I'm afraid The Packers are going to become what The Browns were unless Murphy gets his head out of his ass or relinquishes power to The GM.

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan 



I think both jobs would be attractive to any potential head coach and you may be right about the Browns being more stable.

Murphy might become the Packers equivalent of a meddling owner and I agree 100% he needs to trust Gute and turn things over to him.
sschind
6 years ago

Not that Green Bay doesn't have a lot of problems right now, but the only reason I could see someone wanting to go to Cleveland over Green Bay is the "coach that finally turned the Browns around" factor.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



Honestly if I am a totally impartial candidate, with the changes made at the top in Cleveland recently I might just think its a better job.

I can think of two downsides to the Browns job. The owner seems to be a dipshit and you have to live in Cleveland. On the other hand I don't know if dealing with Mark Murphy as the top dog is any better than Haslam. And then you do have the "coach that finally turned the browns around" factor like you said. The equivalent in GB would be "the coach who kept the Packers from turning into the Browns" factor like Buckeye said.

I think the Packers have better draft picks this year (with the two firsts) but Cleveland has been loading up on the draft in recent years and has a lots of young guys from the previous couple of drafts. The Packers have some young talent from last year but from the years prior they have squat. The Browns have more cap space. Rodgers is a better QB historically but both QBs continue on the paths they seem to be on I'm not sure that will hold true for much longer. I haven't looked at a position by position comparison but it wouldn't surprise me if the Browns came out on top far more than you would think.

Oh, and the final thing that makes Cleveland the new Holy Grail of coaching jobs. They have Elliot Wolf. Packer fans the world over seem to think he is the second coming of ... well, the second coming of Ron Wolf at least.
DoddPower
6 years ago

Honestly if I am a totally impartial candidate, with the changes made at the top in Cleveland recently I might just think its a better job.

I can think of two downsides to the Browns job. The owner seems to be a dipshit and you have to live in Cleveland. On the other hand I don't know if dealing with Mark Murphy as the top dog is any better than Haslam. And then you do have the "coach that finally turned the browns around" factor like you said. The equivalent in GB would be "the coach who kept the Packers from turning into the Browns" factor like Buckeye said.

I think the Packers have better draft picks this year (with the two firsts) but Cleveland has been loading up on the draft in recent years and has a lots of young guys from the previous couple of drafts. The Packers have some young talent from last year but from the years prior they have squat. The Browns have more cap space. Rodgers is a better QB historically but both QBs continue on the paths they seem to be on I'm not sure that will hold true for much longer. I haven't looked at a position by position comparison but it wouldn't surprise me if the Browns came out on top far more than you would think.

Oh, and the final thing that makes Cleveland the new Holy Grail of coaching jobs. They have Elliot Wolf. Packer fans the world over seem to think he is the second coming of ... well, the second coming of Ron Wolf at least.

Originally Posted by: sschind 



It is true that any coach hired in Green Bay will be expected to make the team a Super Bowl contender immediately, which is a tall order given the state of the roster.
Cheesey
6 years ago
EVERY team hires a coach to take them to the super bowl. They don’t hire them thinking “gee, I hope we just don’t suck as bad as last year”.
Of course most don’t work out, but that’s what they are trying to accomplish.
UserPostedImage
Fan Shout
Mucky Tundra (1h) : Will there be a tracker on the ball or something?
Zero2Cool (4h) : uh oh
Martha Careful (5h) : Too bad camera's can't spot the ball as well.
Mucky Tundra (6h) : So will the chain gang be gone completely or will they still be around as a backup or whatever?
Zero2Cool (7h) : The method for measuring first downs in the NFL will switch from chain gangs to camera-based technology in 2025, the league announced.
Martha Careful (10h) : A big step in the right direction. Just put in the college system is very very good.
Zero2Cool (12h) : NFL has passed a rule that allows both teams to possess the ball in OT during the regular season
Zero2Cool (12h) : Touchbacks on kickoffs will now bring the ball to the 35-yard line.
beast (31-Mar) : It might of gotten more popular recently, but braiding hair (even men) in certain cultures goes back for centuries.
Martha Careful (30-Mar) : Is men braiding their hair a new style thing? Watching the NCAA men's tournament many players have done
Zero2Cool (29-Mar) : Ha. Well, it'd be nice for folks to reset their own password. Via validated email 😏
beast (29-Mar) : Monopoly was supposed to be an educational game, that show how evil capitalism was and how we should avoid it
beast (29-Mar) : Lol, I was thinking username would be better, as then I wouldn't have to keep an email up to date lol 😂
beast (29-Mar) : Zero2Cool (25-Mar) : I was thinking email because I think it'll make folks keep it up todate lol
wpr (29-Mar) : sure is
Zero2Cool (29-Mar) : Monopoly is a rip off of The Landlord's Game
wpr (27-Mar) : 28 days until the draft
earthquake (27-Mar) : Which seemed strange to my 9 year old self, that you could be a fan for a team other than the one you play for
earthquake (27-Mar) : Nothing eventful happened, other than it being clear that he was a bengals fan
earthquake (27-Mar) : And we went and hung out with him one afternoon, I must have been 9 or so
earthquake (27-Mar) : That’s wild, when I was a kid my friend lived in the same apartment complex in De Pere
Mucky Tundra (27-Mar) : Only career highspot was a 200 yard rushing game while playing for the Cardinals
Mucky Tundra (27-Mar) : He is a former Packer. Drafted out of Northern Illinois. Didn't do much in GB.
dfosterf (26-Mar) : Despicable
Zero2Cool (26-Mar) : Former NFL. I think Packers too
Zero2Cool (26-Mar) : NFL RB Leshon Johnson has been charged in a massive dog fighting operation, with the FBI seizing over 190 Pit Bulls
Mucky Tundra (26-Mar) : Some real irony of a QB as short as Wilson playing for the Giants
Mucky Tundra (26-Mar) : Giants country, let's be the tall beings of lore!
Mucky Tundra (26-Mar) : Russell Wilson signs with the Giants.
Zero2Cool (25-Mar) : I was thinking email because I think it'll make folks keep it up todate lol
wpr (25-Mar) : I don't think there is a significant difference. I use a user name for many. Others email.
Martha Careful (25-Mar) : email
Zero2Cool (25-Mar) : would it be better to use EMAIL or USERNAME to log into a site?
wpr (25-Mar) : Thanks Zero
Zero2Cool (24-Mar) : New forum has the ability to Thank a post now.
beast (24-Mar) : And the only time they have won the Championship in an even year, was the first time they did, in 2006.
beast (24-Mar) : Since 2007, there have been 10 odd numbered years, Wisconsin Women have won the Championship in 7 of those 10 odd numbered years.
buckeyepackfan (24-Mar) : Congratulations Lady Badger Hockey Team. NATIONAL CHAMPIONS!!
Zero2Cool (23-Mar) : I don't think it's completed yet. it was just announced last month, right?
dhazer (23-Mar) : did netflix ever release the Packers documentary
Zero2Cool (21-Mar) : And it is glorious!
beast (21-Mar) : Unsigned FA QB Rodgers is supposedly in the Steelers building
Martha Careful (19-Mar) : But I don't own a car! So can I still use it in my apartment?
Zero2Cool (19-Mar) : btw, new site auto updates
Zero2Cool (19-Mar) : Woohoo!
TheKanataThrilla (19-Mar) : Oops I guess I should have updated the site before posting
TheKanataThrilla (19-Mar) : Jeremy Fowler @JFowlerESPN · Follow Source: Free agent WR/return specialist Mecole Hardman is signing with the #Packers on a one-year deal.
Zero2Cool (18-Mar) : Former Packers wide receiver Bob Long, who stayed in Wisconsin after playing days, dies at age 83
Martha Careful (17-Mar) : PFOW, Pati O'Furniture
wpr (17-Mar) : Thanks dfosterf. Been a while since I heard the song.
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2024 Packers Schedule
Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM
Eagles
Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM
COLTS
Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM
Titans
Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM
Rams
Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM
CARDINALS
Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM
TEXANS
Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM
Jaguars
Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM
Bears
Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM
49ERS
Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM
DOLPHINS
Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM
Seahawks
Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM
SAINTS
Sunday, Dec 29 @ 3:25 PM
Vikings
Sunday, Jan 5 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Jan 12 @ 3:30 PM
Eagles
Recent Topics
7h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

8h / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

31-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

30-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

29-Mar / Random Babble / wpr

28-Mar / Feedback, Suggestions and Issues / dfosterf

28-Mar / Random Babble / Martha Careful

26-Mar / Random Babble / Mucky Tundra

25-Mar / Random Babble / Martha Careful

24-Mar / Random Babble / packerfanoutwest

24-Mar / Random Babble / Zero2Cool

21-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

19-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

19-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

18-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.